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Steve Benen: … the debate was fairly intense on the House floor anyway. The decorum and niceties that are generally common during congressional debates were forgotten, with many speakers finding themselves booed and derided by their rivals on the other side of the aisle.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi stood out, however, for showing the kind of spirit that inspires confidence in her leadership.

…. Why did I like this so much? It’s not just the message, which happens to accurate. It’s also because Pelosi said something provocative, drew the disdain of her rivals, and said it again.

It was almost as if Pelosi were saying, “Oh, you didn’t like that one? Then let me repeat it for you.”

Update: I neglected to mention a point of context. Pelosi’s remarks came in defense of Reid’s plan to resolve the Republican debt-ceiling crisis. In other words, Pelosi was giving a speech in support of a conservative plan that cuts spending and doesn’t raise taxes, but was still booed by the GOP.

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96 Responses to “nancy”


  1. July 31, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Go Nancy, always saying what needs to be said “right now”… Her father which I understand she studied under took no crap and Nancy takes no crap from anyone.

    • 2 Bobfr
      July 31, 2011 at 1:04 pm

      Heads-up:

      pfeiffer44 Dan Pfeiffer
      Despite all the reporting, no deal has been reached, there are still impt issues to work out, and a lot of bad info is floating out there
      5 minutes ago (1000PDT)

  2. 3 Tracy
    July 31, 2011 at 10:10 am

    This deserves to be posted everywhere. Nancy calls it truly: House GOP in grip of dark side.

  3. July 31, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Nancy comes from a family of political Leaders that did not take any crap from any one.

  4. 5 Fred
    July 31, 2011 at 10:16 am

    drop the hammer on their asses Nancy!

    good morning TOD family

    may GOD and the Holy Spirit continue to guide;bless;protect and help the President win this battle

  5. 6 gd4pbo
    July 31, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Go Nancy! Ain’t that the truth! (Future)Speaker Pelosi is a great leader. Weepy should seriously take note.

  6. July 31, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Question for you all, Why did boner take the biggest gavel when he became speaker of the house?

    • 8 JER
      July 31, 2011 at 10:46 am

      All Brawn and No Brain?

    • 10 utaustinliberal
      July 31, 2011 at 10:56 am

      Easy answer. When a person feels he/she is lacking in an area of his/her life but are in denial, he/she overcompensates for that hole. For example a middle aged man is moaning the loss of his youth or is experiencing a mid-life crisis and instead of examining himself and searching for new constructive activities to fill up the hole, he goes out and buys a cherry red corvette, wears multiple gold chains, gets atrocious hair plugs, starts dressing “young,” then begins to think he’s soooo cool that he can attract college aged girls. Another example is that a man might have a “needle dick” (Tally’s wonderful terminology) and is in denial, so he overcompensates and buys a huge house, a huge car and starts throwing money around to make up for his deficiency. In Boehner’s case, he knows he is a WEAK “leader,” can’t corral freshmen party members so what does he do? He demands the biggest gavel to portray the false meme that he is macho and strong. Plus he thinks the gavel makes up for the fact that he’s always crying like a wuss or a leaky faucet that WON’T SHUT OFF!!!! and methinks he has the tiniest of needle dicks that couldn’t find/fill up a vagina even if you pumped and filled with it a saline solution or gave it directions to the yellow brick road that leads to the nirvana that is your vagina.

    • 13 Sue in Minnesota
      July 31, 2011 at 11:57 am

      To compensate for his other shortcomings…I’ll leave that to your imagination.

    • 14 desertflower
      July 31, 2011 at 12:22 pm

      Overcompensating

  7. 15 Barbara Pine
    July 31, 2011 at 10:40 am

    what sould we expect from the GOP when a congressman can boo the President during his speech, they can call him a d**k on morning news shows, a Supreme Court Justice shakes his head against the President during the State of the Union, on and on it goes. we need the likes of Senators such as Byrd, Dole, McGovern, who knew and used the ideas behind words such as bilateral and compromise instead of someone who wants his 15 minutes of fame and then hopefully will fade into the past. this President has our back and we should certainly have his!

  8. 16 gd4pbo
    July 31, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Go Nancy! (Future) Speaker Pelosi is a great leader. Weepy should seriously take note.

  9. 17 utaustinliberal
    July 31, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Ok I just watched two members of the Obama Administration on sunday shows; Director of National Economic Council Gene Sperling and WH Adviser David Plouffe. They both said that the tentative (stressing the word tentative) not quite agreed upon deal on the table is to have spending cuts within the realm of $1-$3 trillion so that the debt ceiling can be raised through 2012. In addition to that, a special committee will be created to find out if there can be more spending cuts made. The tentative deal will include a trigger mechanism that calls for spending cuts that are painful to both sides if they don’t act quick enough. Although people are freaking out about the rumors that Medicare, Defense and Social Security be slashed across the board if the committee doesn’t act before the trigger deadline, Plouffe and Sperling said that is not so. When Plouffe was asked if tax/revenue increase would be part of the trigger plan, he didn’t really answer. He said he cannot talk exact specifics about the negotiations going on, but the way he framed his answer seemed like tax/revenue increase will be part of the trigger plan, but he didn’t want to mention where tax increases might come from, because he didn’t want to give away an ace of President Obama’s to the GOP run media. Sperling was also asked about this trigger plan and he said he cannot talk about certain specifics of the negotiation, all he can say is that the President isn’t calling for tax increases, he’s just calling for revenue ( I loved the way he said that. He was already framing the debate that this isn’t about tax increases but a continued supply of revenue stream to the federal government 😉 ) and those revenues would include reforming the tax rate and looking at other tax reform measures. They both also pointed out that in 2010, the GOP ran on jobs and since then there have been no job initiatives instead, it’s been one distracting measure after another. Anyway the take away from this morning is that they are close to finalizing a deal, and even though this is a tentative plan out now, it is not agreed upon and could change by the end of the day so no freaking out.

    • 18 halo.
      July 31, 2011 at 10:56 am

      UT, Plouffe avoided the question about revenue because there was no deal on revenue! George Steph. pressed him on this point and Plouffe basically said, “No revenue. But we MIGHT get tax reform in the special commission.” But everyone who has been watching this knows that the teabaggers will never go for revenue in any sense. It is naive at best to think they can get a deal on revenues.

      This only hurts the economy. You don’t take out spending when there is no consumer demand, no investment, and 9.2% unemployment!!

    • 19 Ladyhawke
      July 31, 2011 at 11:40 am

      UT, I lift my glass to you. Thanks so much for this thorough and informative update. I just got back from the gym and was anxious to get an idea of where things stand. President Obama has always said nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. I will keep that in mind until a deal is finally reached. It hurts me so much that our distinguished and brilliant President Obama has to deal with the likes of Boehner and McConnell. They are leaders of an opposition party with no morals. PBO just doesn’t deserve this. I know he’s got this, but really it’s just infuriating that the feckless media continues to push the both sides do it meme.

    • 20 Sue in Minnesota
      July 31, 2011 at 12:17 pm

      Thanks for doing what I absolutely do not have the stomach to do. I can not watch the MSM’s theater of the absurd. I am glad this administration and the Democratic party had good representation, which usually is in short supply on these Sunday talk shows. It would be nice if tthe MSM would at least make an effort to balance the political positions they give air to. They are a big player in our current American hostage situation.

    • 21 desertflower
      July 31, 2011 at 12:25 pm

      Thank you so much for the concise update. I trust the President. He has the people in his heart.

    • 22 Doris
      July 31, 2011 at 12:42 pm

      Thanks UT we appreciate your analysis and ability as Ladyhawke said to watch all this. Clapping.

  10. 23 Brian
    July 31, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Namcy is the perfect combination of policy and passion. Even Republican women I know are proud that the first woman Speaker was so effective. I tell them not to worry. The second female Speaker will be just as effective next year. 😉

    • 24 Sue in Minnesota
      July 31, 2011 at 1:41 pm

      I like the energy that all our Democratic women bring to the halls of Congress. It would be beneficial IMO to see the balance between men and women improved and brought closer together.

  11. 25 Hachikō
    July 31, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Does this debacle remind anyone of the “terror alert” years after 9/11? Since the Teahadists took over the House, we’ve been on the edge of one precipice after the other and there seems to be no end in sight. We were right here just 3 months ago girding our loins for a government shutdown because they didn’t want to fund the federal government. Now here we are again on the precipice of another global financial meltdown if they don’t raise the debt ceiling. We’re gonna be right back here in two months when the budget extension expires! This is ridiculous! And every time they do this shit, our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq putting their lives on the line have to be worrying about whether or not their wives and children will have money for next month’s rent and food because they might not get paid!

    Aaaaaggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Stop the madness!!!

  12. 27 halo.
    July 31, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Guys, the deal that’s coming together is only going to hurt the economy! We only had 0.4% GDP growh the 1st quarter and 1.3% the 2nd quarter.

    Taking this much spending out of the economy right now is madness and only going to make the economy worse. On top of that, PBO is putting MEDICARE cuts on the line with no revenues in this “super commission” where all the Rethugs have to do is put a couple of crazy teabaggers to oppose everything. Rethugs don’t care about defense spenidng, which is their trigger. They only care about taxes!

    A bad economy will only be blamed on the President. People won’t remember this.

  13. 28 DTTM
    July 31, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Elections have consequences. It was a low turnout election in 2010, but enough to get these lunatics in, take away Nancy’s gavel, and presto…we are stuck in this mess. Thanks UTAustinliberal for the summary (by the way, my sister went to UT in Austin, the only blue in a sea of red!). As negotiations continue the White House has to be careful about revealing cards too soon. But it sounds encouraging.

    Just sad that PBO has been forced into this position.

  14. 29 halo.
    July 31, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Chipsticks, I know you’re not liking what I have to say on this, but we can’t just be happy about any deal just bc PBO said so. We have to be independent thinkers and economists from Krugman to the CEO of PIMCO are saying this is a bad deal. PIMCO is one of the most well-respected financial firms out there. These are the experts and they’re saying it will only depress growth and maybe wont even avoid a downgrade. People here need to be infomred of that so we can reach out to PBO to tell him to stand strong!

    • 30 Sue in Minnesota
      July 31, 2011 at 1:45 pm

      halo, with no disrespect…tell us how they get it done. Additionally, no deal has been finalized….where is the basis for your sense of alarm.
      Please share.

      • July 31, 2011 at 2:17 pm

        Sue, a case of chicken hearted folks only worried about themselves and not the big picture.. Halo, chill out and wait before you start going over the cliff..

        • 32 Sue in Minnesota
          July 31, 2011 at 2:22 pm

          Who the hell is going to be happy with any of it. The addiction to negativity and hystronics doesn’t help anything. I’m on your page Michele.

    • 33 prettyfoot58
      July 31, 2011 at 6:21 pm

      so halo…

      what should he do…allow the country to default…….

      • 34 HZ
        July 31, 2011 at 8:36 pm

        Halo, he is the President . And hell, he is a very smart on at that. We can be informed, but, the President took the oath to this office. Why can’t we allow him to be the President. I will trust him to do his duties. Please relax. We are going to make it. Many, many of us have called and left comments to the President, written letters, and emails. This President reads and has chosen great staffers who do read. Let us give him more credit.

  15. 35 Bobfr
    July 31, 2011 at 11:09 am

    31 July 2011

    Dear Mr President,

    I wrote you a longer letter yesterday on the topic of a Radical Republican Party, a party that could not possibly achieve the harm to our social compact, our economy and our global status through any normal legislative or political process.

    So, that Radical Republican Party is now attempting to normalize extortion in the legislative and governing process.

    We now know with certainty that they willingly, in cold blood, would rather destroy our economy and our credibility in order to achieve their singular objective – protect the wealthiest few from any societal responsibility.

    We are fortunate you are President at this time because I have every reason to believe you will not compromise with extortionists – extortionists blatantly violating their Oath of Office and terrorizing all Americans by their actions.

    Please exercise your Constitutional authority and halt the extortionists.

    Thank you,
    Bob

  16. 36 utaustinliberal
    July 31, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Hahaha. Guys the sunday shows are funny this morning. ALL the reporters are complaining that the White House is becoming smarter than the media. That the only leaks they’re getting are from Republican aides, not the White House and then it turns out not to be true. They’re complaining that this White House team unlike others is VERY loyal to this President and are really holding their cards to their chest. They were complaining that they had to pull teeth to get info from Plouffe and Sperling this morning and they still wouldn’t tell them the exact amount of spending cuts that were in the table and the exact tax reforms for revenues that are on the table. (For that conversation, see my summary on their appearances on the sunday talks shows up the thread) They were also complaining that President Obama took them by surprise when he resumed talks with McConnell and no one in the media knew until McConnell told them. They also complained that when they talk to White House aides, the aides will give them vague talking points and then bam! the President and Jay come out with the true story, leaving them even more confused and looking stupid. I loooooooooooooove this President and this White House for flashing a tweety bird to the GOP run media and screwing with them after the way the media has been carrying GOP water. First they bypassed the media by telling people to call, email, and tweet their congressmembers and now they’re bypassing the media by making sure they get a handle and control the message. Bravo!

  17. 45 DTTM
    July 31, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Yes…I agree, but angering the media just makes them even more vindictive than they usually are…

    • 46 nospin
      July 31, 2011 at 11:27 am

      which makes absolutely no difference so why care. This exposes the msm for the immature frauds that they are and they are pushing themselves into oblivion.

    • 47 Anonymous
      July 31, 2011 at 11:32 am

      IMO, I don’t see how they can get any more vindictive than they already are.

    • 48 Sue in Minnesota
      July 31, 2011 at 12:43 pm

      But surely as they become more petulant, they would increasingly risk exposing their shortcomings to the veiwing public. I hope I am not wrong to believe that the majority of American people aren’t totally blind, or so easily mislead. Unfocused and busy, yes, trusting yes…totally gullible and stupid..no.

      I refuse to scapegoat the blame for the MSM’s shortcomings and failures. They own it….they have all the avantages and opportunities to produce higher quality journalism and programming. That they fail to do so is on them. Their lack of creativity and integrity is stunning to me.

      • 49 HZ
        July 31, 2011 at 9:02 pm

        Thank you Sue. They (the media) need to grow up and act like real professionals and carry an amount of respect for the WH. Plain and simple. The President does his job, so must they. They will not lay this at the feet of this WH and this President. Not to us. We watch, we listen, and we know who is doing the better job. So let them eat the food that they dish out each day, which is garbage.

    • 50 Fred
      July 31, 2011 at 12:46 pm

      DT the WH shouldn’t worry about angering the media.This WH is working for the American people even those who are against them and those idiots in the media are lying;carrying water for the Teahadists and trying hard to make a name for their damn selves;they don’t seek the truth much less report the truth but they are good at fabrication

  18. 51 57andFemale
    July 31, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Some interesting tidbits from TPM:

    “The Medicare cuts would supposedly fall on Medicare providers, not beneficiaries. The trigger would also include a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment — but no requirement that it be sent off to the states.

    One source briefed on the negotiations confirms that the ABC story is correct “on the key points.” A similar piece in National Journal suggests the Special Committee would not be allowed to reduce the deficit by raising new net tax revenue. The source disputes that notion, as does the ABC report.

    snip…

    Also on CNN, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said the final trigger must include incentives that don’t simply allow Republicans to draw a line in the sand over revenues. “What is the sword over the Republican?” Schumer asked.

    Well it has to be equal — the one thing we are certain of, it has to be of equal sharpness and strength. The preference would be some kind of revenues, on wealthy people, on tax loopholes that would be in that. But another alternative, possible, being discussed, no agreement has been reached, would be defense cuts of equal sharpness and magnitude to domestic cuts.

    In the past, when the trigger has had significant defense cuts, it’s brought the parties to the table and they’ve come up with a balanced agreement that had both revenues and cuts.

    snip….

    But a senior White House official urged caution. As of early Sunday morning, the official said, “major details” of the agreement were still being discussed, and the nature of the trigger described in these initial reports is incorrect.”

    What I read later about the trigger did not make me happy, but that’s one of those unsourced things that I will not get upset over. The ‘senior WH official’ quoted above doesn’t instill confidence.

  19. 52 GGail
    July 31, 2011 at 11:33 am

    This President does not let FEAR prevent him from doing what is necessary for America. He has my total support. OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

    • 53 desertflower
      July 31, 2011 at 12:29 pm

      Important point. Fear should never be the guiding factor for ANYONE’S decisions. It will never be real and honest. Fear can never rule or guide the day.

      • 54 Sue in Minnesota
        July 31, 2011 at 1:30 pm

        Fear is a vehicle to nowhere. If you have a problem that you need to confront and resolve, the only road that will get you there is the truth. All other routes will be temporary detours circumventing a problem that will remain.

        • 55 HZ
          July 31, 2011 at 9:05 pm

          Oh, Sue thank you for that comment. I need that for many reasons. You are a beautiful person. Hugs to you.HZ

  20. 56 DTTM
    July 31, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Thanks for that detailed report. Doesn’t sound too bad–sounded much much worse. What doesn’t instill confidence for you?

  21. July 31, 2011 at 11:40 am

    This part is so important: Pelosi was giving a speech in support of a conservative plan that cuts spending and doesn’t raise taxes, but was still booed by the GOP.

    It shows the clear indecency of the GOP- how dysfunctional they in fact are.

  22. 58 57andFemale
    July 31, 2011 at 11:40 am

    More from the TPM article:

    “We’ll know more very soon. The idea of this sort of penalty is to constitute policy both parties agree is bad — that way they don’t simply choose to punt on a larger deficit reduction bill. The idea here is that the threat of Medicare cuts will focus Democrats and the threat of defense cuts will focus Republicans, and they’ll agree to fiscal policy that includes the entitlement cuts Republicans want and tax increases Democrats want.

    Republicans have insisted that the debt limit should not be raised by any more than the amount by which Congress agrees to reduce the deficit. This framework would allow Republicans to consider future cuts as “baked in” and thus to agree to raise the debt limit through 2012 — a key Democratic demand.”

  23. 59 57andFemale
    July 31, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Whatever happens, it will be a compromise — everyone is going to be unhappy to a certain degree. The details matter.

    Brian Beutler, not my favorite progressive journalist to be sure, has a balanced take. I’ve snipped some of it above. Here’s the link: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/dems-gop-float-eye-popping-debt-limit-compromise.php?ref=fpblg

  24. 60 Ladyhawke
    July 31, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I love the PERFECTLY ABSURD line, just priceless.

  25. July 31, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Had to get off twitter because its really a freak out fest on there right now. Glad I checked in here where sane people are.

    Will someone remind me why the Dem controlled Senate wouldn’t pass the budget last year (elections?) and why they voted against their President’s budget this year? And does anybody remember good ol Harry Reid proclaiming Pres Obama was not his boss? As we all know the damn problem lies with these weak Dems who would not get behind the President like they should have. They make me sick, almost as much as the rethugs.

    • July 31, 2011 at 12:15 pm

      It’s interesting how everyone has forgotton that.

    • 63 57andFemale
      July 31, 2011 at 12:15 pm

      Joe Walsh certainly should have never been elected. That was not a Dem loss, that was a Dem giveaway because Melissa Bean played Republican-lite and didn’t explain to her constituents how much President Obama and the Dem’s had done for them. That maniac Walsh won by 400 votes.

      Unfortunately, what is the answer? The Left always stays home unless they have a super hero to vote for — they look for easy answers and are not willing to do the tough, infrastructure-building that Republicans did for the last 40 years.

      Now this is what we have. What do we do to make sure Obama and the Dem’s win in 2012? I am totally playing devil’s advocate here — what do we have to do to get these people to the polls? We still need them. Not the far left loons — but enough of mid-ground between far left and center. I would say most of us here are in that group. We can’t afford to lose these people.

      What are our talking points to get them to the polls?

      What is Working made a good point at BWD this morning: this ‘commission’ is probably a good thing (actually that’s my interpretation) because now we will have time for a substantive debate on cuts vs. taxes. As long as the trigger isn’t one-sided, this is actually an opportunity.

      • 64 DTTM
        July 31, 2011 at 12:22 pm

        You make good sense. At this point, reasonable people of all political stripes want effective government. PBO can’t and won’t give away the store, because he still needs a deal to get through both houses. But after the successful Lame Duck when compromise happened, the public rewarded PBO with their approval. He can do this again in the months to come.

        • 65 57andFemale
          July 31, 2011 at 12:29 pm

          I’m hoping there are real talking points we can use in this deal. For example, absolutely no cuts to benefits in Medicare. The provider cuts — the PL is going to go batshit crazy anyway, but if I can reassure my senior friends and family that provider cuts are in their interests, I can deal with that.

          No revenue increases or the possibility of same — this is gonna be a hard one. CNN crawl says “WH — no revenue increases through 2012”. I will need serious details on that one before I make any decisions.

          A lot depends on whether the cuts are front or back-loaded. So many details that we don’t yet have.

          Everyone needs to understand that this deal will not make us happy. I just hope it doesn’t make Republicans happy either. There has to be some shared real sacrifice. I still have hope but it’s not easy.

          • July 31, 2011 at 2:21 pm

            Tell your people that Medicare is not going to privatized. Tell your people the Social Security trust fund is still safe but if you had teabaggers/rethugs with there hands on it, it will be gone in a nano second..

      • July 31, 2011 at 12:24 pm

        The questions you’re asking are questions we’re all asking. No one knows how to motivate soft Dems in mid-terms. My hope is that this radical hostage taking that is being displayed by the right is penetrating to these people who don’t normally pay attention. Even if it is, though, it is going to take a massive education process on the part of the Dem message machine to hammer away at a constant pace to explain why voting in every election is critical, but most of all during mid-terms. I say that every time we have a contact with a voter now, we emphasize that the current problems of no job bills and ransom politics is a result of people not voting in 2010. Education is the key.

        • 68 desertflower
          July 31, 2011 at 12:31 pm

          Absolutely, Tien…see my rant on TOAITR

        • 69 57andFemale
          July 31, 2011 at 12:36 pm

          Yes, Tien Le. That’s the point exactly. I want to have a rational discussion so we don’t truly turn over the keys in 2012. Republicans always saw these things as setbacks, not the end of the road. We have to do the same and I’ll go so far as to ask, how can we see this as an opportunity?

          The Republicans are bloodied by this and we have to continually remind everyone of what Republicans were willing to do to get their way and who they have shown themselves to be. Hostage-takers willing to tank the economy for political purposes. Willing to drive us off the cliff in order to preserve tax cuts for the wealthy and destroy Medicare. Democrats were hostages — put us back in the driver’s seat and save us from extremists. We have to sell it, sell it, sell it. We have to fill the background noise with this truth. This requires coordination of message between the WH, the DNC. It should include all lefty pundits but that won’t happen so our job is harder.

          Unfortunately, Tien, this has bloodied the President, too. I saw him riding this to political victory a few weeks ago and now it will end up with a slight edge to the Dems and Obama. It won’t help that we’ll get pounded by the PL. It’s not a pretty picture. Where the balance lies is in the details of this deal.

        • 70 DTTM
          July 31, 2011 at 12:58 pm

          Durbin and Boxer just did this on the floor of the senate; “economic hostage taking”; “they have put us on the horns of a dilemma”; “willfully compromising the very fragile recovery” “thwarting all efforts at job creation”….these are effective talking points, and will be repeated again and again.

    • July 31, 2011 at 12:39 pm

      What are they saying on twitter?

  26. July 31, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    I am so frustrated and mad that Obama is even put in this predicament in the first place. I am so freaking angry at the progressives

    Elections have consquences..Elections have consqueneces…..Elections have consequences..

    They need to keep saying that over and over again. Didn’t a certain president tell the country not to give the keys back to the republicans? Didn’t a certain president say that they can’t drive? Didn’t a certain president say that they drove our car into a ditch and he and the democrats were getting it out, slowly but needed more time and patience from the american people? Didn’t he tell the american people that george bush and company took out the credit card and put trillions of dollars of debt onto it and partially to blame of putting our economy into turmoil? When Obama walked into office he was left a pile of shit and no allies to work with on the other side. They were against him from the time he set foot into the white house.

    Now look where we are. Folks got mad with obama cause he compromised too much because they didn’t get 100% of what they wanted so they stayed home to teach obama a lesson or others either voted these imbecils in office last november. And now we are only 7 months in to this teabagger congress and american voters see that they are not only terrorists but anti american congressmen who would rather tank our economy than work with this president. Yes, this is the dilemma they have put this president in. Instead of rallying behind him and trying to get more progressives in congress, they turned on him and let these radical teabaggers infiltrate our government. Now Obama is faced with a situation where we are on the verge of our economy permanantly going off a cliff and companies sitting on trillions of dollars and jobs stagnated this whole year because the GOP took over the house and them doing everything they can to try to bumb rush him out of office with the progressives giving them a helping hand.

    Unbelievable

    Seniors, Independents and folks (PROGRESSIVES) who stayed home are to blame for where we are.

    Hope they are proud of themselves.

  27. July 31, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Lurker here,

    I think this ‘deal’ sounds like the Grand Bargain (in a lite version since it’s 3T and not the original 4T. and the retirement age isn’t raised, etc.) in the guise of a two-step. The upfront cuts sound the same; the ‘trigger cuts’ sound similar. We all know that in Dec. the Congress will not pass anything, so the trigger cuts will be it.

    I read somewhere that a similar ‘trigger’ was in the Grahmn-Rudman bill in the 80’s with Tip O’Neal and Reagan. I don’t know if it ever got triggered, but we survived just fine.

    The defense cuts sound the same or more than was offered before, which are needed (and I say this as a military spouse). They proabably lock in the savings from ending the wars which is already 90% done in Iraq. The Status of Forces (SOFA) that BUSH signed says all troops out in Dec. The combat troops are already gone and they didnt all go to Afganistan. The Tea Party doesn’t like the wars either. They can be allies in the ‘get troops home from AfPak faster’ proposition.

    The Medicare provider (doctor) cuts seem like re-treads of the Medicare provider cuts that Congress ‘fixes’ (recinds) every year, since the original cuts in the 80’s.

    The Republicans could have saved everyone all of the hassle this week by not walking out of the talks with the President a week ago Friday. They said, ‘Get the President out of here… we’ll negotiate ourselves’ (chest poking out). Then they spent this week showing that they can’t act like adults.

    Lindsey Grahmn is saying that conservatives will not vote for this in the House and that only half the Repub caucus may vote for it. That means Nancy and the Democrats will have to provide the passing votes. That’s the stopgap on any draconian cuts. Which we all knew anyway.

    So basically, we are back to pre-‘a week from Friday’ bargaining with a cosmetic ‘trigger’ point so that Republicans will feel like they accomplished something over the President instead of him looking like the master of a Grand Bargain.

    I doubt the President cares as long as the ceiling is raised and Congress passes some debt reduction. He talked about this in the SOTU about how he wanted to cut the deficit. The administration said two years ago that when stimulus spending was over that we would have to wrestle with the debt the Bush years racked up. The interest alone is killing a good, progressive budget. It’s like your credit card payments (interest) taking up too much of your monthly paycheck. Our debt/income ratio is way too high. Until you get that out of the way, you have no money to buy a new refrigerator or car, or in the government’s case, an infrastructure bank and a jobs bill.

    For a non-governmental example, my family just built a new house two years ago. We went 20% over budget, which we incurred as debt. We got the house we wanted with the amenities we wanted. The new home tax credit paid for a fence for safety and this years refund (with the payroll deduction) paid for the blinds that are reducing our electric bill.

    BUT, now we have to pay for it.

    We can’t buy the new tractor we need until we pay down the overages from our house. We can’t just say that we won’t pay our credit bills. We can’t just rack up more credit to pay for the tractor. We have to solve the problem.

    President Obama is trying to solve the problem. Yes, BUSH is the one who rung up the credit card with two wars and a tax cut. But that doesn’t get the debt/income problem solved, to just blame Bush. We need to remember the Bush mistakes, so that we can spend more wisely in the future. But the credit card bill is still due. If President Obama can get this debt/income issue solved and we get him re-elected in 2012, he will be in a much stronger position to do more great things for the people in his second term.

    • July 31, 2011 at 1:16 pm

      Sharon, you knocked it out the box with explaining how this game has played out and worked. The credit agencies not only wanted the debt ceiling raised but they also wanted reductions.. If there are no reductions the American AAA rating would be down-graded, I don’t understand why people keep forgetting this point.

  28. July 31, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Harry Reid is speaking on CNN now.

  29. 76 Mary Gray
    July 31, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    NP 2016!!!!!

  30. 77 desertflower
    July 31, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I love Nancy so much I emailed and told her yesterday. If i could afford to live in San Francisco, I would in a heartbeat. The woman has more balls than every single man in that House. Brass ones, too! THAT’S what a REAL LEADER looks like! 2012!!! Let’s do it again!!

    • July 31, 2011 at 12:36 pm

      Agree desertflower.. I love Nancy.. and San Francisco is my favorite city in the world. I’ve always said some day… I’d live there. My mom worked there for many years and we lived relatively close- just not close enough 🙂

  31. 80 57andFemale
    July 31, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Jumping back and forth from computer to TV. Gene Sperling on CNN now:

    Obama is fine with cuts only in the first phase as a ‘down payment’ on deficit reduction.

    The second phase must include “revenue increases”.

    The trigger must have consequences for both sides. He literally backed up what Schumer said earlier.

    This must be off the table for the remainder of the term for ‘certainty’.

  32. 81 Me4obama
    July 31, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    UT, thanks for the excellent wall to wall reporting on the Sunday shows’ freaks. Have a good day Family, I will keep checking in for updates from you all amazing people.

  33. 82 57andFemale
    July 31, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    I hate poker. I loathe competition. I’m bad at it.

    I don’t like seeing McConnell look so damned pleased.

    • July 31, 2011 at 12:51 pm

      I’ve asked God to cleanse my heart because I really, really, really hate Mitch McConnell. So much that if I saw him on the street I’d probably curse him out. They are so heartless they make me absolutely sick.

  34. 84 desertflower
    July 31, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    A MUST READ*****************************************************
    http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/defining-victory-in-the-debt-ceiling-showdown/#more-25955

  35. 85 DTTM
    July 31, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Suddenly, I feel serene after a horrible morning. I think the R’S have overshot badly. Dems can agree to a deal but in exchange, they are going to hammer the R’s with, “how could you put a fragile economy and an angered people through this!?!…shame on you, you are unfit to serve.”

  36. July 31, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Please join me in lighting a candle for our President and the American people.

    http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PBO

  37. July 31, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I have heard over and over that there were not deal. I have also heard that the triggers are Medicare and Defense Cuts. If the special panel which will be set up, if they could not come up with another number of cuts by a certain date then there will be cuts across the board on Medicare and Defense. I have to hear more from the President ‘s side and Dems. To see what they think. I do believe the President will fine some way to get some revenue, if not now, somewhere down the line. If we have so much trust and belief in this President then we have to trust him to do what is best for this country. Let us remember the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2012.

  38. July 31, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    Heads up. While checking out CNN to watch Harry Reid. Fareed Zakaria was on next. He is explaining the debt ceiling and will also have on his show the CEO of GM. Sounds like a great enlightening show.

  39. July 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    I haven’t looked at any news programs today because I decided to wait for the final deal.

    I was listening to the Rev Al’s radio show on my drive home from church this morning and for those who think that the AA are unaware to what is going on, then they don’t have their ears to the ground. Every caller that called into the show spoke with one accord when saying that this president has been treated like no other president before him. They also spoke on the fact that it is intentional that republicans are trying to make the economy as worse as possible. They also talked about those on the left who have betrayed this president. There were also discussions regarding the criticisms leveled at the Rev, and as he said I will paraphrase “there are those who are show room activists, and then there are real activists who actually put their feet on the ground”.

    They also spoke about people staying home in 2012 and said that we didn’t give the president the help he needed and we only have ourselves to blame.

    • 93 Fred
      July 31, 2011 at 1:55 pm

      BJW of course AA’s are paying attention.They are just not on tv asked about their opinions (unless you are Tavis and Cornell 🙄 ) and they are not polled so folks don’t know.If certain people knew just how mad AA’s are looking at how POB is being treated and feel about it ; folks would be scared as hell.

      I am glad they realize how mistaken they were for sitting home in 2010;they should have listened to the President when he warned them. They should have known better because the President worked with a good bunch of these idiots and he knows how they operate

      I am also glad the fessed up to being impassive;careless and lazy and that they better get off their arses come next year whether rain;sun;hale;hurricane or blizzard (well forget hurricanes but you get my drift 😆 )

  40. 94 LunarSea
    July 31, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Thanks BJW2 -good to hear and truer words have not been spoken. Now we just need more like him keeping the AA communities informed.

    I’m heading out. May be able to post from my andriod or may not. For those keeping down the fort, remember when you hear a PL bloviating about PBO respond that you are a progressive or pragmatic democrat and they don’t speak for you.

    Must work on getting the word out that these people are NOT the voice of PBO’s base.

    Carry on….

    • 95 Sue in Minnesota
      July 31, 2011 at 2:28 pm

      Results over ideology. Find the perfect in the imperfect and keep moving forward. Left to the left we would get nowhere. In addition they represent 10% of the voting public…..who crowned them King.

  41. 96 LunarSea
    July 31, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Oh and Lurve me some Nancy. The best Speaker we’ve ever had!


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