88 Responses to “boehner’s plan “written for the tea party, not for the american people””

  1. 1 nintendowii10
    July 26, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Ironic that even though it was written for the Teapugs, they are saying NO to it because it’s not radical enough for them, and even some Senate Republicans are saying NO to it as well.

    Bonehead’s plan is a no-go. We’ll likely see Reid’s plan pass with Bonehead continuing to cry and pout.

  2. 2 GGail
    July 26, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    I have so much admiration for Reid, Pelosi, Schumer for taking a stand and fighting the good fight for the American People and the President. While we’re sending out our message, be sure to send them a thanks or two.

    • 3 nintendowii10
      July 26, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      Absolutely. Too many people say Reid is weak and ineffective, but he’s like PBO: he floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee, talks silently but carries a BIG stick. And it’s the same Reid who went on the floor earlier this year and called the Republicans out for willing to shut the government down over funding for Planned Parenthood, he knows exactly how and when to throw his punches and make them hurt.

      • 4 Brian
        July 26, 2011 at 8:15 pm

        I have to admit that I have been one of those people critical of Reid (especially in contrast to the more dynamic Pelosi), but I willingly eat my words. Harry Reid has really come to the forefront in this battle.

        • 5 COS
          July 26, 2011 at 8:22 pm

          Considering that Reid has to garner 60 votes for stuff, I think he has done a great job in pushing and getting PBO’s agenda passed. He has his hands full in the Senate, especially with the so-called democratic traitors from some of the southern states. I don’t understand why Manchin calls himself a dem.

        • July 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm

          I never thought it was a fair comparison (Reid vs. Pelosi). it was much easier to gather Dem votes in the House than it was in the Senate. Also, a lot less divas and egos in the House. Now Pelosi vs. Boehner? Its hands down NANCY SMASH!

      • July 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm

        It’s actually amazing that such a soft-spoken guy like Harry Reid, who has such a gentle spirit, can survive in that environment. He has his feet on the ground and his heart is in the right place. He works hard and does the heavy lifting. We have a good team, thank goodness, but it’s becoming increasingly hard to get past the thunder and fury. I appreciate what he does day in and day out for the American people.

      • 8 Suzanne holland
        July 26, 2011 at 8:42 pm

        YES! Perfectly put!

      • 9 majii
        July 27, 2011 at 12:05 am

        I read on the Think Progress site that a group of republicans in the Senate has sent a letter to Senator Reid requesting that he allow their so-called “Balanced Budget Amendment” to come to the floor for debate. This would avoid a filibuster and allow the bill to pass with only 51 votes. I sent Senator Reid an email asking him to deny their request and stating my position: if the republicans want their bill to reach the Senate floor for debate, let them do it by using a tactic they have shown intense love for since PBO entered office-require them to meet the 60 vote cloture threshold. I’m sick of republicans thinking that they deserve to be treated differently than their colleagues in the Democratic Party in Congress. Maybe someone else here would like to also send an email to Senator Reid about this last bit of republican chicanery.



  3. 10 StR
    July 26, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    The CBO scoring it with only $850B in cuts was a blessing for Boehner as he gets to rewrite it now. Before he was heading for a showdown he was likely going to lose with his own caucus. Now knowing that it’s dead in the Senate and vetoed by the WH he’ll just pile in cuts to win the support of the teabagger caucus and at least get it out of the House.

    The way Reid is talking, I hope that means he has the whole Dem caucus locked down from possibly voting for the Boehner bill.

    • July 26, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      Lawry said that Bonehead bill is gonna pass. Too many teahadists and others are rejecting it bc the money amount doesn’t come up to snuff. So there is some thought that the Bill may be DOA even in the House (possibly, not sure).

    • 14 Bobfr
      July 26, 2011 at 8:14 pm

      Without a BBA he’s been told by all the teabagger caucus members in the House and by 4 Senate Republicans that his bill is dead. He can’t get past their objections with more cuts and the more he tries with cuts to Medicare/Medicaid/SS the bigger the hole he and every R that votes for it has dug for themselves.

      Boehner will have to go to Speaker Pelosi with ~ 40 or so Republicans actually interested in being re-elected and join her in a vote for the Reid plan or a ‘clean bill’ – those are the only two options he has to, perhaps, still be employed by the US Government in 2013.

      Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

      • 15 57andFemale
        July 26, 2011 at 9:30 pm

        I think you’re right. My preference at this point would be a clean bill, but I don’t see even the hobbled together Republicans voting with Dem’s are going to give the long term extension to 2013. I find it immensely sad that there aren’t 40 Republicans in the House of Representatives who understand that putting this issue to rest until after the 2012 election is in the nation’s best interest. But I don’t see that happening.

        Then our choice is, a shorter extension or the Reid plan with cuts and the ‘commission’. I know the Reid ‘commission’ isn’t nearly as bad as Boehner’s but does it still look for safety net cuts only (like Boehner’s) and a fast track to voting? I don’t know the details well enough.

        • 16 Bobfr
          July 26, 2011 at 10:00 pm

          Boehner is now so far into the corner he’s becoming the corner …. the more extreme he behaves the more glaringly obvious to all but the totally deluded it will become that the President and Democratic Party are the only ones standing between assured destruction of the solvency and trust in the US Government and a pack of nihilists.

          When the very white, and mostly under-privileged, under-educated segment of America confronted the reality of a black President on the morning of 5 November 2008, and succumbed willingly to the very white, very wealthy manipulative few the makings of the 2nd Civil War was set in motion. No question about it as the actions of these confederate traitors speak for themselves.

          Move forward 2 years – 2 years of unprecedented Republican intransigence no more glaringly obvious than the number of cloture votes forced by Republicans in the US Senate – all costing jobs and harming the recovery of the American economy while also denying those deserving of a DREAM Act and much more.

          Anyone paying attention knew that the crystallizing issue, the singularity would be raising the debt limit – from the moment the teabaggers emerged on election night 2010 as ideologically united confederates in the destruction of President Obama at whatever cost required.

          Yes, indeed, at the cost of perpetrating a collapse of both America’s and the world’s economy.

          This is not hyperbole. This is a mere statement of fact.

          Others, much more eloquent and erudite than I ever will be have been delivering this message.

          When you live within a calamity in the making – America between 1850 and 1861; Germany between 1927 and 1939; etc – most people do not see it coming. The few that do are often the first victims of the reality of which they tried to warn.

          We live within such a calamity. We are counting hours now.

          The only hope we have is that some of the ultra-wealthy along with our dear President, Senator Reid and his colleagues, Speaker Pelosi and her colleagues will manage to forge a halt. Otherwise, a week from now no one will have ever experienced what happens – including those whom happen to still be alive that lived through 9-10 November 1938 and all that cascaded thereafter.

          Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

          • 17 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
            July 27, 2011 at 1:12 am

            I believe in what you are saying Bob. But your post is quite DRAMATIC!! 😯

            • 18 Bobfr
              July 27, 2011 at 1:20 am

              Nothing dramatic about it, Keith. Wish it were so. But, you’re living in the middle of it – and that’s the message.

  4. 19 Fred
    July 26, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    well no shit sherlock 🙄

  5. 20 utaustinliberal
    July 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Hahaha. Love Harry Reid. He is the epitome of speaking softly but carrying a big stick and floating like a butterfly but stinging like a bee. I hope bluedog dems like Manchin, Nelson and others join the other dems in crushing Boehner’s fucktard of a debt ceiling two part extension plan. Crying out loud, Reid’s plan provides $2.7 trillion in spending cuts and raises the debt ceiling to 2013 and yet Boehner and his teabagger ignoramus caucus still rejected it. When the heck will Boehner EVER grow some balls. He’s pretty much Cantor’s puppet. My goodness! Speaker Pelosi was an amazing speaker of the house. There was always some bill signing ceremony occurring every other week. She got Heathcare, the Dream Act, the Dodd-Frank Bill, Credit Card Reform passed, DADT repealed, more powers to the EPA and FDA, the Healthy-Hunger Free Child Nutrition Bill passed, the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Bill and many others passed. At times her caucus were scattered like headless chickens but Nancy corraled them together and got the job done! All Boehner does is golf, tan, smoke, drink, and oh yeah cry like a fucking leaky faucet. I cannot wait for Nancy Pelosi to once again be Speaker of the House so that the reign of dysfunctional government comes to an end.

  6. 21 Me4obama
    July 26, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Boner is going down. I have a feeling the President will a dress the nation on Sunday night bin laden style and declare state of emergency.

  7. July 26, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Bill Maher is an asshole talking about PBO is a caver: “I try to like this guy, I try to understand what’s going on in his head, but……..I was disappointed…..” Caving, caving, caving. Ugh!

    • 23 nintendowii10
      July 26, 2011 at 8:33 pm

      Bill Mahar is a libertarian, so of course Mahar is going to whine “Cave cave cave!”

      But in all honesty, most of these media talking heads can fuck off. They seem to know more than President Obama, yet they don’t run for Congress or for President and put their money where their mouths are, mostly because most of them would be mocked and jeered for running for elective office.

      Al Franken at least studied his shit and thus far has become a stellar Senator, most of these talking heads don’t know shit about government, so what business do they have telling PBO what he should/shouldn’t do?

      • 24 Suzanne holland
        July 26, 2011 at 8:40 pm


        • 25 Tally
          July 26, 2011 at 8:46 pm

          I tweeted him twice regarding his whining:

          1 – @billmaher Obama hasn’t lost anything yet He’ll get a clean debt ceiling raise which is what he wanted. Then the Bush tax cuts expire=WIN

          2 – @BillMaher blog.reidreport.com/2011/07/myth-o… Obama never had a progressive army – that’s OUR FAULT, and we need to OWN THAT.

    • July 26, 2011 at 8:39 pm

      Go Suck Rocks! Obama ain’t thinking about your dumb but Bill Maher! He and Matt Damon can go sid down somehwere.

    • 30 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      July 27, 2011 at 1:16 am


  8. 31 Doris
    July 26, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Bill Maher looks terrible.

  9. July 26, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    See what I told you about Lawrence. I really,really don’t trust him. Why bring on Maher of all people? This is what Maher says every friday night. Therefore it leads me to think that this is what Lawrence really wants to say, but in a way can’t, after all the grandstanding last week.

    • 34 Doris
      July 26, 2011 at 8:41 pm

      Something’s up. He’s been all over the place for the last few weeks. He’s not happy with the President. Maybe he should run on his congressional staffer background since he knows it all and has seen it all. I’m about through with him. You are right Lady, he brought on Maher to say what he can’t but wants too.

  10. 35 Me4obama
    July 26, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    I don’t know what Bill Maher smoked before he came on Larry but he sure was high on something strong of hatred for the President. What is wrong with these PLs for not standing by the president when he needs them the most.

    • 36 utaustinliberal
      July 26, 2011 at 8:46 pm

      I know right? They don’t seem to understand that this is only a small taste of the shithole the country will be in if President Obama doesn’t win in 2012. They can’t seem to understand that they are part of the problem. No one asked them not to report on the day’s happenings or hold the President accountable, but I remember during the Bush years no matter how crappy Fox News was and how messed up Bush’s policies were, Fox News made sure they promoted him and highlighted all his fucked up “accomplishments.” Now after fighting hard, we have a President who is a gazillion times better than Bush and has accomplished a gazillion times more and what do they do? They bash him on an endless news cycle. Instead of rallying the base and telling their followers and audience members to get behind this President, because the alternative in 2012 is too horrendous to comprehend, they castigate him unfairly and line their pockets with the ill gotten gains. At least people on twitter are calling Maher out. I guess folks are starting to realize that the PL are just as worse as the rightwingers.

  11. 37 nintendowii10
    July 26, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    And remember folks, this is the same Bill Mahar who said he wanted PBO to act gangsta like Suge Knight. What the fuck does Bill Mahar know? All that weed has fucked up his brain!

  12. July 26, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Not what is wrong with these PL,why would Lawrence invite him on. This American msm is the biggest bunch of deceitful hypocrites I have ever seen.
    Why not bring on some-one who can make the public more aware on the meaning/dangers of things, etc? Wouldn’t this make more sense?

    • 39 nintendowii10
      July 26, 2011 at 8:42 pm

      Because then the media wouldn’t have the drama it needs for ratings. They need these PL for ratings, and thus $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

    • 40 Doris
      July 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm

      Hence Chips previous thread on the PL who Mr. Larry had on a while back. Chips is always way ahead of us, lol. These PL/Libertarian jackasses get on my nerves. I think LO is there also even though he says he’s Liberal. Getting sick of his bull.

  13. July 26, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    I just wish this thiing would stop dragging on and on as the more it drags on and on the more sheiss we have to listen to every day and the more riled up we will get! Time for PBO to end it.

  14. 42 Betty's Girl
    July 26, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Lisa I’ve come to accept POB is not the far left’s guy. He’s not ruthless like GWB so he is weak to them. There is nothing he can do for them. Unfortunately, they can’t put anyone in the Whitehouse so all they have is bitching and complaining.

    • 43 nintendowii10
      July 26, 2011 at 8:46 pm

      PBO isn’t a hard lefty, so what betrayals are the hard left bitching about? He never campaigned as a hard lefty, the meme that he was a “hard lefty” during the GE was a meme started by Arianna Huffington and the other PL. He campaigned as a pragmatic man wanting to elevate and change the tone in Washington through bipartisanship, and he’s governed as such.

      The PL have gone so far off the rails that they’re saying that they’d be willing to allow a President Romney or a President Hunstsman, because in their minds Romney and Huntsman would be no different than Obama. And the PL wonder why they are not invited to the adults table, they act more and more like immature brats!

      • July 26, 2011 at 8:54 pm

        As I have said before, long after President has walked off the stage, the PL will still be bitching and moaning. They just don’t know how to win, and when they do, they don’t know how to hang on to it.

        When PBO won the presidency, given the dire problems we faced, instead of these folks working like we were 50 points behind to ensure that the Republicans did not come any close to catching us, they bragged and bragged incessantly. I used to read all the time how the Republicans were going to be in the wilderness for eons. And they thought just by saying this would have made the Republicans go away. Go freaking figure.

        All the while, they kept poking at this president. Starting off with the stimulus, and on to health care and beyond. Nothing was and is sufficient for them. Just nothing. Like my hubby says all the time, they all have their own agendas.

        So, it is left to us to make liars out of these people who could give a whit about what happens to the poor. If they have learned nothing about what is happening in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin or Florida, I have little use for them.

        We won’t even begin talking about the Supreme Court.

        So let the PL whine. We should all call out their lies when necessary, but treat them like they are specks in the universe. Give them no power to think they matter.

  15. 45 Blue
    July 26, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Typical of Maher and Stewart, when the knife is in one’s back, we can always depend on these two, to help sticking it in further. You cannot depend on them to help you when you’re down, for they will spit on you and walk over you, and leave you for dead.

  16. July 26, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    This is the part that makes me really mad about these nobodies. They have no information whatsoever about what’s going on, but spout out stupidity

    That’s what it is, rank stupidity.

    I am beginning to sound like a broken record. But how about we give the media the same treatment we did to the Congress today?

  17. 48 Me4obama
    July 26, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I think Bill maher should be Twitter bombed and am debating if I should watch Mellisa Harris tonight because last night she was a total bitch.

  18. 49 GGail
    July 26, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    I stay true…to watching Rev. Al ONLY. Today he had Valerie Jarrett.

  19. July 26, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    About time..says me the non-tweeter. Just do it folks. Remember the saying it’s the economy,stupid! I say it’s the MEDIA,stupid! Go get ’em.

  20. July 26, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Rev Al is the only one worth watching I tell you.

  21. July 26, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    House Republicans delayed a vote on their bill to lift the debt ceiling as they scrambled Tuesday night to rewrite the measure to ensure that accompanying spending cuts were large enough, according to three senior GOP aides.

    The vote, originally scheduled for Wednesday, could now happen Thursday or Friday.


    We have one week before we face default.

  22. 54 ChristiMtl
    July 26, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    I didn’t like Melissa Harris at all last night, I was disappointed. I think she spent too much time with Rachel Maddow.

    And Bill Maher the libertarian and the PL are responsible for 2010. They are so predictable. it’s always the same crap : He’s weak, he’s a republican, bla bla bla, no difference between parties.

    Yes that’s the result……….fascists in Congress.

    Instead of learning from that, no, of course not….they are doubling down on their criticisms, every freaking day…bashing the President……unbelievable.

  23. July 26, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    The vote has been delayed until Thursday now so Boehner can find $200B more in cuts. This pushes back the Reid offering as well, as I think he wants to be the last chance bill rather than the GOP house thinking – Hey if we vote down Reids, the Dem senate will have to vote ours out of desperation. However now we’re getting to Friday – cutting things ridiculously close with all of this bullshit.

    CBO really screwed things up tonight. Odds are high the bill would have been defeated by his own caucus and then Reid could have put his bill to cloture vote tomorrow.

    I think chances of default are at around 70% now unless President Obama has something he can do unilaterally.

    • 56 hopefruit2
      July 26, 2011 at 9:15 pm

      Actually, it might be a way to force to Boner to have to make obvious and DEEP cuts in SS & Medicare – which is what they wanted the President/Democrats to be doing in the first place.

  24. 57 Tally
    July 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Princess Potty Mouth Cassandra says:

    1. Obama gets a CLEAN DEBT CEILING RAISE.
    2. All of America has seen how BATSHIT INSANE The ClownCarCrazies® really are.
    3. Obama Brings a JOBS BILL and beats the GOP with it from now until election day 2012 – running on getting rid of the Bush Tax cuts – because there are still NO FUCKING JOBS.
    4. Obama and the Dems sweep.
    5. Bush tax cuts expire.
    6. No more GOP able to stop PROGRESS, because the Baggers permenently destroyed the GOP forever.
    7. Norquist is declared an enemy combatant. Everyone who signed his pledge is tried for sedition and blackmail via RICO.
    8. ACA morphs into Single Payer
    9. Contribution Cap on SS/Medicare is disposed of – everyone pays the same % of earnings – problem solved for all eternity.
    10. EPIC WIN

    • 58 hopefruit2
      July 26, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      Now that’s the Cassandra I can believe in.

      • 59 HZ
        July 26, 2011 at 10:14 pm

        Tally, I told you that you are brilliant. I just was walking down the stairs this morning and saying the same thing. Thank you Tally for calling it again. Love you back so very much HZ

  25. July 26, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    I keep saying the Media is the Opposition party the Republican are their children. We have to fight the Media, Obama can’t, he have to try and keep the children in line. If Obama win the media know they are going down, so they are the ones who are trying to bring Obama down. i see it everyday on tv and in the papers including the New York Time paper. Lies Lies I tell you all Lies everyday. Good friend of mine and co-worker are long time dem. but we can not talk about Obama with out getting upset with each other, they believe the media and I know better, They said the News paper, local news station, cable news all can’t be lying on Obama.

  26. July 26, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    This is the silliness we are dealing with –
    House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the party’s vote counter, began his talk by showing a clip from the movie, “The Town”, trying to forge a sense of unity among the independent-minded caucus.

    One character asks his friend: “I need your help. I can’t tell you what it is. You can never ask me about it later.”

    “Whose car are we gonna take,” the character says.

    • 63 Tally
      July 26, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      Tell your friend to start listeing to The Source> the POTUS himself. Then they can compare what they actually HEARD with the media SPIN – but explain they’ll have to actually use their BRAIN, not go along with what they’re TOLD he said… 😀

      • 64 Sue in Minnesota
        July 26, 2011 at 11:41 pm

        Exactly, they will see rather quickly that they are being lied to and manipulated by our corporate MSM, who worship at the altar of money….not truth.

  27. 65 Me4obama
    July 26, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    StR, this President has something under his sleeve. I have a feeling it’s going down on Sunday night. I have these weird feelings of him either calling for the state of emergency and using the 14th amendment or something else. He is a palnner and a chess player.

  28. July 26, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Okay guys, bear with me. I’ve been thinking of something for a while now and i want to bounce it off you:

    We all agree that PBO is unbelievably smart. We all believe he tends to operate on a dozen or more different cylinders, both of these factors evidenced most recently by the OBL mission. We all agree he can outfox the GOP as evidenced by the Budget Bill where the GOP wanted billions and billions of dollars in cuts but only got millions. We all agree PBO loves us and has put his presidency and his legacy on the line for us time and time again. Okay, that is the premise. PBO knew from Nov. 2010 that things were going to change in Washington. Things were already tough enough with the party of NO in the minority, but now, they would own the House which controlled the purse strings and even though the repugs only controlled 1/3 of the government, PBO had been in Washington long enough and had dealt with them long enough to realize that the number of the GOP didn’t matter. At heart, they are the same. They become this solidified army with one thought, one breath, one goal. From the get-go, the GOP declared this goal: MAKE OBAMA A ONE TERM PRESIDENT. From Jan. 20. 2009, the repugs had done everything they could to control Washington’s PR from Death panels to Kenyan Mau-maus. Everything. And in some part, it worked, case in point that disgusting exercise in stupidity -the 2010 Midterms which has led to our lovely House of Dysfunction. Fast forward December 2010, the Lame Duck session. This is where START almost didn’t pass until the GOP got their Bush Tax cut and we got the Payroll taxes and unemployment insurance. Fast forward to the almost government shut down. See, I believe that all these experiences must have forewarned PBO and his team about what this debt ceiling fight would look like. Here is the deal: what if knowing this, having experienced these setbacks and problems, knowing that in some part 2010 was a referendum on him and his administration; knowing that the repugs despised him and had every intention to take his presidency down, what if PBO was planning a counter strategy? What if PBO entered this debt ceiling crap with good intention, on good faith, but was also planning an exit strategy and building a defense/alibi? The facts:

    1. PBO first asked for a clean bill
    2. Repugs denied him
    3. PBO set up a commission headed by Joe to come to an agreement on a deal
    4.Ryan comes out with his stupid little plan/criticizes PBO for “not having a plan”
    5. PBO trashes it
    6. Cantor walks out of talks
    7. Repugs start screaming “where is the leadership, leaders lead.”
    8. PBO starts having meetings with the heads of the party
    9. there is talk of a grand bargain
    10. Bonehead walks out.
    11.They meet again, make strides
    12. Bonehead walks away.

    We began with the premise that PBO is smart, he’s wily and shrewd, he operates on many different cylinders and that he loves us enough to fall upon the sword again and again. What if all this time, from Jan. 2011 to now, PBO has been hoping for the best i.e: Joe’s commission, then his own meetings with Bonehead, but planning for other alternatives? Remember, repugs started this by saying PBO was lying, we didn’t have to raise the debt ceiling. Then some time later, once Wall Street began to bite their asses, they began to talk about how “default was not an option.” Then, as soon as they admitted that, PBO and every Dem and everyone in his administration jumped on it. Many times in interviews or even in the presser, PBO can be quoted as saying: “many repugs now say that we can’t default.” Then PBO has been coming out hard and strong on PR and messaging. Polls now show him as being more reasonable and as being the one person more likely to care about the middle class and small business. When asked about the prospects of default, PBO is always calm and confident, even in this political climate when he must know that the repugs are power mad and punch drunk. Why? At NO time has PBO entertained the idea of default— he would publicly say that it was because he was the president of the US and any little thing he says would and could affect the world markets. This is true yes, but if you go back and look at his pressers or interviews, PBO is very, very confident that we wont have a default. In fact, in Friday’s presser when an idiot reporter asked him whether or not he could guarantee that checks would go out on Aug. 3, he said: “let me put it this way, I’m confident that we will not default, I’m less confident we will get a deal.” Curious, yes? When asked about the 14th Amendment, PBO always says: “it shouldn’t even get to that point” and doesn’t answer the question directly. In fact, friday at his town hall was the most direct I’d ever heard him in his response to the 14th and it was: “I’ve talked to my lawyers, but they aren’t convinced….”

    Okay, now cut away from that and back to what i said previously: what if PBO has been mounting a defense/alibi? PBO does NOT like the press, but yet, he’s spent a good majority of time infront of them, both the local media and the crap MSM. He’s taken pains to answer their stupid questions and he has done so consistently in the past three weeks. Also, PBO has bent over backwards in order to work with the repugs on raising the debt ceiling. He’s gone so far that even some self proclaimed Bots have become nervous, spewing firebagger talking points. PBO has- according to others– gone so far to the center that it’s almost right wing. The predictable meme are saying that PBO is losing his base because he’s gone so far right. Everyday polls come out saying that he’s losing the left. So PBO has so far shown, in the eyes of the world and the American people, that he is the adult and that he is willing to act responsibly for the good of the country. He’s the good mother: he’d rather give up his child to the fake mother, rather than have King Solomon split the child in half and in doing that, he’s won the argument that he would do anything to save this country and its people AND that he’s made every sacrifice possible in order to avoid default.

    Now imagine that PBO is working his ass off to get a deal because he’d rather do the hard work of coming to an agreement, and also because S&P and Moody’s is warning about a downgrade without a deal. But, the repugs are just crazy enough to continue the brinksmanship and let the country go over the hill. What if, at the last minute, PBO pulls out his ace in the hole. Now I’m not saying the 14th is ace. At this point, no one but PBO and his lawyers and possibly his closest allies knows what that ace is. But I absolutely believe that PBO has an alternate plan that has nothing to do with congress. I think PBO and his lawyers have had lots of meeting in the past few months and I believe we wont be defaulting, and not because congress suddenly decides to play deus ex machina. I think PBO is always 10 steps ahead of where everyone else is. I think PBO has something up his sleeve that probably hasn’t been done in recent history and PBO has been building his case for his possible action(s) to the American people but also for his legal team. His case can be that he tried everything to get the congress to do their duty, he garnered heat from his own party, he appealed to the American people, he tried his very best in good faith (this would be absolutely true because he did do all of these things in good faith), but unfortunately, the repugs wouldn’t deal (this is also true as evidenced by friday -tuesday.) I’m not saying what Lawrence said because Lawrence implies that PBO is being a dishonest politician. What I’m saying is that PBO has been hoping for and working for the best, but also planning for the worst at the same time. Afterall, he can walk and chew gum at the same time.

    Okay, if you’ve read through my stream of conscience all the way, tell me what you think.

    • July 26, 2011 at 10:04 pm

      sorry, stream of consciousness.

      • 68 Sue in Minnesota
        July 27, 2011 at 1:22 am

        Lisa you have made some very astute observations. I know I have complete faith in President Obama and his administration.
        I know he loves America, and places her well being above all else. I am counting on him and his brain trust to get us through this. I will continue to harangue my worthless Republican rep, daily.

        But I gotta say the intensity of all of this is turning my hair grey as we speak. I feel as if we are in a historical rewind of the lead up to the civil war.

        If I were President Obama I’ld be smoking those cancer sticks, like a chimney, at the podium , blowing smoke in their faces and giving anyone who objected my dirtiest stink eye. And in less than dignified words I’ld be telling the Republicans to bend over and be prepared for the kung fu I was bringing down on their sorry asses. HHHHHIIIIII Ya!

        If only there was something in this situation to find humor in, there simply isn’t.

        • July 27, 2011 at 9:59 am

          Oh, Sue. Don’t let repug crazy turn your hair grey. I know that the atmosphere is so cloudy and it looks like we are in the calm before a spectacular storm, but it helps to continuously keep our eyes on the prize. For me it’s 2012. It’s gotten to be like a mantra: 2012, 2012, 2012. So no matter what the crazies are spewing, in the back of my head is : “2012, 2012, 2012.” As comedic relief, when the meme has gotten too PL or too repug, I just imagine Bonehead handing his ridiculous gavel back to Mizz Nancy from Cali and her whacking him over the head with it and telling him to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

      • 70 lmrj
        July 27, 2011 at 2:55 am

        Lisa, that is a brilliant stream of consciousness. Unless I watch some MSM teapub talking points, I have been generally calm about this entire situation. I’ve said before it’s because I trust in God and I trust PBO. I have also felt that PBO has been meeting with his legal counsel since the government shutdown scare. Immediately after that the teapubs actually stated they would make the debt sealing their next battle front. Can’t remember the exact wording, but that’s the gist of what they said. I think that you’re absolutely right in your observations and conclusion.

    • July 26, 2011 at 10:23 pm

      Lisa, I haven’t had much of a chance to reply to comments recently, but just a quick word: you are a complete gem. Love your passion, love your brain, love you. Thank you for everything you bring here, you’re great.

      • July 26, 2011 at 10:26 pm

        😳 Thanks Ms. Chips. I really appreciate you and this cite. Thanks so much for all you do for us. Hope you’re having a great vacation. 🙂

        • 74 utaustinliberal
          July 26, 2011 at 10:42 pm

          Hey Lisa genius of a potty mouth 😉 (they way you string cuss words is a thing of beauty) your analsyis is brilliant. I’ve always felt that with PBO he is 10 or 20 steps ahead. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who caught on to his slightly evasive answer about a default, a deal being reached and use of the 14th amendment. I feel, just like you that PBO always has multiple aces in his backpocket. We’ve seen it time and time again; even when it’s subtle. Great commentary and line of thought chica. I love how you walked us through all the situations that have taken place since the debate began. Your mind is a freaking steel trap. You just spit out info like your blowing bubbles. Freakin sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!! Keep it coming. You are definitely my online soul sistah because we flow on the same brainwave 😀

          • July 26, 2011 at 10:50 pm

            hahahahahahahhahahahaha! Thanks UT, but I’m learning by example. Not a day goes by when I don’t learn from you and everyone else here. Thanks so much for the support and glad to see that I wasn’t the only one feeling the soul sistah vibe 😉

    • July 26, 2011 at 10:32 pm

      I hope he has something, because he pretty much poo-pooed the 14th amendment idea. Defaulting would do tremendous harm to the military and military readiness – maybe he’ll have some powers as Commander-in-Chief.

      Problem is I think the GOP moderates (whichever many are left) and big business think Obama is too pragmatic and sane to let the US default so they’re playing along with the teabaggers – either to get the deal they want or see what Obama has up his sleeve.

      I think President Obama needs to ratchet up pressure on the lobbyist groups that might have some control over Boehner. After the Boehner bill dies in the Senate, he needs to call a presser and detail who will get paid and who will not. The Executive, as I understand, as total control over who gets paid and who doesn’t – use that to your advantage.

      • 77 Janelle
        July 26, 2011 at 10:53 pm

        I have a weird feeling, and it’s being mentioned on the OFA website, that some folks are pushing the 14th amendment (aka Clinton and other pundits) to weaken the President for a primary. It was so odd that Clinton would mention that last week. Now a lot more folks bring it up. What that does is an attempt to slow down the calls and letters to Congress to push for something. I have a feeling big business, Republicans and yes some Dems would like to see everyone relax and let the President fall on the sword. I only mention this to appeal to everyone to keep up the same intensity of their calls, tweets, emails and whatever all the way to the last moment. Remember the media has already started to push it’s the Presiden’t fault. Please everyone, let the 14th amendment be the last resort and work to support the President as if that amendment did not exist.

        • 78 Tally
          July 27, 2011 at 12:05 am

          The 14th ONLY refers to CONGRESS – it does not say a word about the POTUS – which is why I think it will only invlove the CONGRESS.

    • 80 Doris
      July 26, 2011 at 10:37 pm

      Wow Lisa, this is just brilliant. I’m going to add this thread to my favorites so that I can come back and read this over and over. You.are. smart and I thank you for sharing your wisdom, wit and funny bone with us everyday. 😀

    • July 26, 2011 at 10:44 pm

      Lisa – I am with you 100 bazillion %.

      Here is how I think your plan will play out:

      So far, not one bill has made it to POTUS desk -and it won’t. The Dems in the Senate will see to it. So NO ONE will be able to HONESTLY SAY – “Obama didn’t take the deal we offered” – because no deal got to Obama.

      The Ace will involve the wording of the 14th – but it will come down to threatening MEMBERS OF CONGRESS – which is what the 14th STATES – CONGRESS MUST ENFORCE – of removal for failure to do their congressional duty.

      It may even involve every member of congress who have signed a pledge they hold over their oath of office.

      Then let the SCOTUS *TRY* to rule against the Constitution. If they do, it will end up getting rid of the Debt Ceiling itself, which is in direct opposition to the 14th.

      • 82 Tally
        July 26, 2011 at 11:38 pm

        DAMMIT – it did it again! ^^^^THAT WAS ME TOOO^^^^.

        Stupid upstairs iMac. gotta fix my log in. grrrr.

      • July 27, 2011 at 10:07 am

        Nice work Tally. I’ve been seeing some comments you’ve been making about the wording of the 14th. This is a very interesting turn and you are right, SCOTUS attempting to rule against the Constitution would be a conundrum with unexpected consequences.

    • 84 theo67
      July 27, 2011 at 4:51 am

      Brilliant analysis! If it was anybody else in the White House right now – I’d have checked myself into an institution by now. But because President Obama is in charge, I have faith. It’s just awful seeing how little Republicans think about Americans, this country and the world in general. Really sad. I’m praying for President Obama during this time – I think he needs it.

  29. 86 Kasai
    July 26, 2011 at 10:47 pm


  30. 87 nathkatun7
    July 27, 2011 at 2:13 am

    May be it’s me, but I don’t think John Boehner and Mitch McConnell are really in charge. I think they are both taking orders from the teabaggers and their financiers, the Koch brothers, and the King of talk Radio, Rush Limbough. The #1 goal of the teabaggers and Rush Limbaugh is to deny President Obama a second term. I’ve been carefully listening to what they are saying and I am now absolutely convinced that Rush and the teabaggers will not allow Republicans to enter into any compromise that may in any way be viewed as helpful to President Obama’s re-election. They are so convinced that destroying the economy is the only absolute guarantee of defeating President Obama. They are counting on the short memory of Americans who, as they did in 2010, would blame President Obama for the economic catastrophe. I just don’t see any courageous Republican, willing to endure, fierce attacks from his party, just as both President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have done, to save the country from economically going over the cliff. Both Boehner and McConnell know exactly the dire situation if the country defaults. But they are both small minded people who have no guts to act as courageous statesmen, even if it may result in loosing their titles. I wish grown up Republicans leaders, who are no longer in office, would council both Boehner and McConnell to clearly point out that saving their titles is not as important as saving the country from economic calamity. Paging: Alan Greenspan, James Baker, Bob Dole and George Bush, Sr!

    • July 27, 2011 at 3:22 am

      Great insight, nathkatun7. Check out Bobfr’s post in the “Wednesday” thread at the top of this blog. He offers a similar commentary but with a sobering prediction about the possible outcome of this delicate situation.

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