“stop obama”

Steve Benen: What a terrific quote from House Speaker John Boehner:

“Boehner – now liberated from the need to be sit politely across from Obama in the Cabinet Room – is framing the debt battle in the starkest anti-Obama terms to rally his troops. “Here’s the challenge,” he told his rank-and-file on a Sunday afternoon conference call, “To stop [Obama], we need a vehicle that can pass in both houses.”

I’ve read it a few times, and I can’t stop marveling at it.

As the House Speaker sees it, the principal goal here isn’t just to prevent a crisis of his caucus’ own making; it’s also to “stop” the president. Stop the president from doing what? It’s not entirely clear, but it probably has something to do with claiming any kind of political victory……

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    July 25, 2011 at 1:51 pm


    • 2 Bobfr
      July 25, 2011 at 4:39 pm

      Heads up everyone –

      PressSec Jay Carney (EOP)
      by pfeiffer44
      POTUS to address nation, 9 pm tonight, re stalemate over avoiding default and the best approach to cutting deficits. Watch @ wh.gov/live.

  2. July 25, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    I read the piece this morning. Unfortunately I read the comments. Let me break it down–Obama sucks. He is a loser. These friggin firebagger, latte bagger ashats make me sick to my stomach.

    • 4 Sue In Kansas
      July 25, 2011 at 2:33 pm

      I so agree, I won’t even read Firedog Lake anymore, so disgusting. President Obama not only has to fight the other party, but some of his own as well.

  3. 5 StR
    July 25, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Actually “stop Obama” means “impeach Obama”. Rep. King let the cat out of the bag on this – the reason Boehner needs to find something that can pass both Houses is that once it gets to the President they believe he needs to sign it as per the 14th Amendment and if he doesn’t than he can be impeached for allowing the government to default.

    So their plan is to get four Dem Senators on board and then get it to the President’s desk and then he’s trapped into signing it. They’re very likely working hard on Manchin, Nelson, Landrieu and a couple others behind the scenes to try and buy their votes in order to get 51. Probably offering Manchin and Nelson to jump parties and guaranteed re-elections.

    • 6 57andFemale
      July 25, 2011 at 2:28 pm

      Let me get this straight: they’ll impeach him by invoking the 14th Amendment if he doesn’t sign the bill but they’ll also impeach him if he invokes the 14th IF we default?

      Ya gotta marvel at their deviousness. It’s truly stunning to watch.

      I guess the question is — are these unholy four a true threat? Manchin is — I can see that. But are Nelson and Landrieu capable of doing that?

      • 7 StR
        July 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm

        Nelson, of Nebraska, is up for re-election in 2012 and is more than likely a goner. If he wants to stay in the Senate a party switch and deck clearing might be the only thing that could save him. However given that the TP isn’t controlled, Nelson would have to worry about a primary challenge from the teabagger wing.

    • 8 57andFemale
      July 25, 2011 at 2:32 pm

      For once, can’t Harry reid use the filibuster in our favor? Can’t wait for Republicans to SCREAM about the use of the filibuster. My. God.

      I ask again, there aren’t 50 sane Republicans out of 242?

      • 9 StR
        July 25, 2011 at 2:54 pm

        Could, but you can bet all of a sudden every MSM outlet will be keenly aware of how undemocratic it is and how the evil Dems are using Senate rules to block the will of the majority vote.

    • 10 maggy519
      July 25, 2011 at 4:14 pm

      Harry Reid would have to be willing to bring the bill up for a vote in the Senate. Dems would fillibuster.

  4. July 25, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Harry Reid Chuck Schumer will hold a news conference on the debt limit at 2:30 p.m. ET

    • 12 desertflower
      July 25, 2011 at 2:23 pm

      Caught flat footed again….Boner and his team of nutsacks will hold press conference at 4pm.

      • 13 Fred
        July 25, 2011 at 2:38 pm

        not a comment to read when your kidney is hurting DF but thank you.I needed the laugh 😆

      • July 25, 2011 at 2:57 pm

        Boehner is already tweeting about how “Obama wants $2.7T blank check to get him through next election and is more worried about re-election than economy” or some hot garbage like that. Quite frankly they’re grasping at straws, and the Obama/Dem stance of no short term deals can easily be defended as short term deals being bad for the economy.

  5. 16 Mae who love our CIC
    July 25, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    They will never be able to impeach President Obama. My word on this.

  6. 17 Bobfr
    July 25, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Leader Reid just completed his statement to the Senate. In it he made it clear that the ‘compromise’ he will introduce later this afternoon cuts $ 2.7 T from the deficit over the next decade, does not increase revenue, does not harm Medicare/Medicaid/SS, and ‘give the Republicans everything they’ve said they want.’ He stated that the markets and the American People need ‘certainty’ and that any short-term extension, two-step process is DOA in the Senate.

    Should be an interesting news conference at 1430 EDT.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • 18 Doris
      July 25, 2011 at 2:27 pm

      Thanks Bobfr. Appreciate you cross posting your comments at OFA and all of our other sites.

    • 19 57andFemale
      July 25, 2011 at 2:30 pm

      So Reid has a bill and we should be seeing the exact nature of the cuts soon, right?

      • 20 Bobfr
        July 25, 2011 at 2:38 pm

        Yes. Press conference starting shortly. He’ll introduce the legislation this afternoon.


        pfeiffer44 Dan Pfeiffer
        Stories saying that POTUS rejected a bipartisan proposal are false, Sen Reid never agreed to a short term deal per @AJentleson

        AJentleson Adam Jentleson
        Any reports that Senator Reid or his staff signed off on or agreed to a Republican plan yesterday are unequivocally and completely false.


        Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • 21 MoObama
      July 25, 2011 at 3:45 pm

      Bobfr, doesn’t this mean the Teaheads get everything?

      • 22 Bobfr
        July 25, 2011 at 4:05 pm

        Actually, no. The teabaggers refuse to support raising the debt limit. It thwarts the Republicans’ efforts to destroy Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security. And, it leaves the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire at the end of 2012. Leader Reid indicated that it legislatively creates a Congressional commission to address revenue and tax code reform and, would thereby, open the very issues we want the public to be focused during next year’s election. We will know full details when Leader Reid introduces the legislation latter today.

        Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

      • July 25, 2011 at 4:06 pm

        No. The tea heads really want to gut all entitlements. that is main priority just like it was in the budget deal. Reid is presenting a plan that gives them the things they told the public they wanted – no new revenues and spending cuts.

      • 24 Bobfr
        July 25, 2011 at 4:09 pm

        I should add that what Leader Reid presented during his press conference is a knife-sharp wedge between whatever sane Republicans remain in the House and the ~ 60 or so “Tea Party Caucus” crazies.

        In other words, Boehner has no way of getting anything the President will sign out of the House without support from Pelosi.

  7. 25 Mae who love our CIC
    July 25, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    If President Obama was a C grade thinker we would not be having all this chatter about this bs. The Repubs won’t admit it, but they are afraid of his intelligence because he along with the American people has figured out the scheme. Our President repeatedly warned us not to give the keys back. We did not listen and we have continually been inundated with this nonsense ever since. Just so sickening.

  8. 26 utaustinliberal
    July 25, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Yesterday, when excerpts of the conference call Boehner had with his caucus came out, that line about “stopping Obama” snagged my interest and piqued my utter disgust of him as a human being and as a supposed “leader.” His concern is not the millions of Americans who are on tenterhooks because default would wreck and derail their lives, his concern is not the economy and the financial markets that could plummet and erase all progress made in the last two and a half years. Every credible financial institution, and even the IMF have said that there has to be a balanced approach – cuts + revenue increases – to appease investors, interest rates and put on a fiscally sound future. His concern is “stopping obama.” God sure don’t like ugly and since Karma is a bitch, I expect her to pay a visit to the GOP teabaggers in the senate and the house. 2012 can’t come soon enough.

  9. 31 utaustinliberal
    July 25, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    OT but funny: First Lady Michelle Obama and Dr. Jill Biden told AARP magazine that they were both kept in the dark about the OBL takedown. President Obama never told MO. On the sunday that the raid took place, Mrs. Obama was out all day with friends and when she came back home at night, she walked into her bedroom and saw the President putting on a suit, getting ready to make an announcement and that’s when he told her about the secret he had kept for many months. Dr. Biden was in her home office grading papers and she thought that VP Biden was at the whitehouse with POTUS talking about Libya. She turned on the tv for some entertainment and bam! President Obama comes on and tells the nation that OBL had just been killed. Ain’t that a hoot. 😆 It’s so funny that the mission was so on a need to know basis that POTUS and VPOTUS didn’t tell their spouses until after the mission was accomplished. 🙂

  10. 35 Me4obama
    July 25, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    First Lady was out to dinner during the President’s bin Laden operation…
    The exclusive interview was conducted at the White House just five days after US Navy SEALS raided terrorist Osama Bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan. Mrs. Obama reveals that she was “out to dinner with girlfriends” on May 1, the evening that President Obama announced to the world, in a late-night address from the East Room. that bin Laden had been killed. She knew little of the operation being conducted by SEAL Team Six, Mrs. Obama said:

    I knew something was happening, but when it gets down to that level of secrecy, there’s just a small number of people who know anything.

    I was actually out to dinner with girlfriends, and I didn’t know until I walked in the door. It was later in the evening, and Barack had his suit on, because he was going to the press conference.

    And I said, “What’s going on?” I was, like, “Wow.” Then I wanted to know the details: “How did it happen? Then what? And then what happened?” I was probably like every media person.

    The President sat down and explained things to her, Mrs. Obama says. And she in turn explained things to daughter Malia, then 12, because noisy crowds were beginning to gather outside the White House.

  11. 36 desertflower
    July 25, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_07/through_the_looking_glass031084.php Liars and the people that actually listen to them. Honestly, enough already!

  12. 37 tally
    July 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    I think there’s a way to use the 14th to Obama’s advantage. The wording is specific. CONGRESS SHALL ENFORCE (America to pay her bills.). That’s pretty clear. So the question really is, what recourse does the government have if CONGRESS refuses to do it’s job (pay America’s bills)?

    I’m not a constitutional attorney but I’m sure Obama has his legal team already working on this.

    After 200+ years there must be some laws that apply to members of congress – regarding actually doing or not doing their job. Do we have any legal wonks lurking?

    • July 25, 2011 at 3:08 pm

      I read somewhere over the weekend that Lawrence Tribe, PBO’s law school mentor, said he believes the 14th Amendment can be used. I agree, even though he has said he has been advised against invoking it, I’m sure his legal team are still huddled day and night studying this.

      • 39 tally
        July 25, 2011 at 3:10 pm

        It needs to be invoked in a way that forces Congress to do it’s job. Not in a way that the POTUS does it for them.

        • July 25, 2011 at 3:12 pm

          Ageed. But that would involve a long process and the courts and at this hour, something may need to be done unilaterally to prevent default.

          • 41 tally
            July 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm

            How about just arresting them for a billion reasons – but willfully refusing to pay for things they’ve already budgeted for?
            Holding them in “contempt”?
            Announcing ethics investigations into another bazillion things like willfully trying to crash the US economy, vocally saying they want to take down the POTUS (Sedition), signing the King Norquist pledge, putting the security of the US in jeopardy… etc x infinity ????

      • 42 tally
        July 25, 2011 at 3:11 pm

        I think it’s pretty clear that it’s Unconstitutional/illegal for Congress to NOT do it’s job/sworn duty.

        • 43 desertflower
          July 25, 2011 at 3:18 pm

          One would have to think that it would be unconstitutional for the US NOT to pay its bills….Congress controls the purse, it is imperative that THEY do the right thing for the country and allow the US to pay the bills they all agreed to. This is Bush’s debt. If they don’t allow the US to pay the bills, then it is THEY that are going against the oath they took. Is that your logic? I’m in agreement with that. Not the Presidents job…it’s Congress’ job!

          • 44 tally
            July 25, 2011 at 3:20 pm

            YES. That’s EXACTLY my point.

            • 45 desertflower
              July 25, 2011 at 3:24 pm

              By jove! I’ve got it!! That way of logical thinking is beyond the House Loons….I’m still trying to figure out how to make them accountable for signing that Norquist pledge that supersedes their oath to the Constitution they pretend to love so much, and the American people.

            • July 25, 2011 at 3:31 pm

              Yes, I agree. They are definitely not fulfilling their oath of office. But what happens on August 2nd? POTUS still needs some constitutional ground to take action unilaterally, doesn’t he?

              • July 25, 2011 at 3:34 pm

                I haven’t heard anybody say this but it seems to me that we at heading for a Constitutional Crisis based on the stalemate. I don’t have any idea how it gets resolved because the SC may not be able to rule based on politics and the House will do what they can to impeach. This is the mother of all TP motives in my opinion. They are forcing the question of not funding any of PBO’s agenda, especially ACA.

              • 48 tally
                July 25, 2011 at 3:57 pm

                Maybe Obama calls for a clean debt ceiling vote through 2012, (for everything in the current budget THIS CONGRESS (and past Congresses) have already passed. Shit we need to pay for, because the bill is DUE NOW.

                Say he does that Friday, along with a statement along the lines of the following: He explains the legal points of the 14th – how it is THEIR JOB TO PAY THE FUCKING BILLS, and THEY should have though about all of this when they passed that budget, not AFTER THE FACT. How it’s NOT AN OPTION, and sends some legal wonk to explain the finer points of their LEGAL OBLIGATION to the US Constitution. All of this is carried live by C-SPAN.

                I honestly don’t see Boehner refusing at that point, but let’s say he does refuse to bring a clean bill to the floor for a vote.

                Obama has Boehner removed & charged for not doing his job, and whoever is next in line (Cantor?) steps up and does the same? And they go down the line until someone has the VAGINA to do their JOB, and calls for a floor vote?

                Let’s say it doesn’t pass. All who voted against it are removed and charged for willful intent to HARM THE US ECONOMY, which is in clear violation to their oath of office. Another vote is taken by the remaining members of the House. It is sent to the Senate, who vote unanimously to pass.

                This way, they can’t attempt to impeach Obama for usurping power, since he didn’t. They have only themselves to blame for not doing their sworn Constitutional JOB.

                • July 25, 2011 at 4:02 pm

                  Except that PBO has no binding authority over members of Congress! They are a separate and co-equal branch of government. So PBO cannot have Boehner removed.

                  Dems have tried to pass a clean bill to no avail. Repubs are refusing to do so. It’s really the mother of all hairballs.

                  • 50 tally
                    July 25, 2011 at 4:05 pm

                    So who can? The Speaker can’t be above the law. There must be some legal way to make them do their jobs, or be removed for refusing.

                    • 51 tally
                      July 25, 2011 at 4:06 pm

                      Otherwise what is to stop the Congress from overthrowing the government? Or selling all of our interests to China? Or pledging loyalty to CHINA?

                      There has to be SOME check on that branch.

                    • July 25, 2011 at 4:09 pm

                      This is a great discussion because it’s so unclear how to proceed. This has never happened before in our nation’s history. I’d like to research how the debt ceiling voting provision started in the first place because it’s always been pro forma.

                      The House is the only body that can deal with its members. If you recall, Tom Delay was forced out as was Gingrich.

                    • July 25, 2011 at 4:11 pm

                      Tally, there are checks. Each branch has their prescribed functions. But this one is unclear. That’s why I think we’re getting close to a Constitutional Crisis.

                    • 54 tally
                      July 25, 2011 at 4:14 pm

                      I suppose maybe it’s because the Debt Ceiling itself is unconstitutional.

    • 55 isonprize
      July 25, 2011 at 3:10 pm

      And since Pres. Obama TAUGHT the constitution, I’m sure he’s ALL UP IN THERE knowing exactly what the options are!! And I trust him to have my best interest and the best interests of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA in mind when he does whatever it is that he will have to do to get these idiots to do the right thing.

    • 56 Janelle
      July 25, 2011 at 3:13 pm

      The thing I think about is as StR mentioned, if they knock off some Dems from the Senate to pass what they want, they would have technically done their job and force the President to sign any bill to avoid default.

    • July 25, 2011 at 4:08 pm

      Maybe Obama can sue Congress?

  13. 58 Mariele K.
    July 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    It’s the Republicans who should be impeached for holding 98% of the country to ransom, for failing to follow their oath of office.

  14. July 25, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    PBO addressed the NCLR conference this morning. Romney, Huntsman, Pawlenty and Gingrich were invited. All declined. Bachman was not invited.

    • 60 isonprize
      July 25, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      Meta, I’m sure the excuses included things like “previous engagement” “scheduling conflicts” “travel arrangements” 😉 😉

      • July 25, 2011 at 3:16 pm

        They really have no shame. The good thing is I’m sure that was not lost on the audience!

      • 62 nintendowii10
        July 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm

        or in Huntsman’s case “I’m too tired, I need to rest” :mrgreen:

        • 64 hopefruit2
          July 25, 2011 at 3:24 pm

          HAHAHA! For every townhall that Hunstman attends, he needs 3 consecutive weeks of rest. Can you imagine having this guy for President in the midst of a natural disaster, terrorist attack or some other crisis?

          • July 25, 2011 at 3:51 pm

            we’d always need to have the smelling salts on hand.

            In An Alternate Universe, Far, Far Away………..

            “Quick, here come the Democrats for their meeting, get the salts my good man! Prez. Hunstman will need it before going in!”

            Leader Nancy: ” Huntsman, you look a bit pale, are you sure you’re up to these negotiations, sir?”

            SS (sighing, and appearing much put upon) : “No ma’am, he isn’t ducking. He fainted.”

            Huntsman reminds me of a Victorian maiden, clutching her handkerchief and salts. Poor thing……….

            Hunstman: “what?!!! China wants their money back?!” Hand wringing, sweaty face and palms, ” Oh dear, Oh dear. Whatever shall I dooooooooooooo?!”– dead faint. Quick! Catch her pearls before they come apart!

    • 67 desertflower
      July 25, 2011 at 3:19 pm

      I hope they remember that come election time. PBO thought it important enough, even at this perilous time….the rest? Not so much. Speaks volumes.

    • 68 Fred
      July 25, 2011 at 3:34 pm

      I hope the DNC makes an ad about that open invitation that was declined by these racist fools just in time for the elections

    • July 25, 2011 at 4:10 pm

      The all declined? HA!! Now I want to hear another Hispanic politician/activist threaten to vote Repub or stay home when clearly the Repubs have no interest in them whatsoever.

  15. 71 nospin
    July 25, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    For some reason as things are seeming to ratchet up and it seems like the tornado is about to touch down and destroy everything in it’s wake, I feel calm. I don’t feel stressed at all because I know this is all theater and PO will come out on top. Again. This is the climate where he seems to thrive and move up to yet another level.

    Weird. anyway . . . not feeling the 14th amendment based on what PO said. Don’t think he will need it. At minimum they will increase the debt ceiling. That much I know.

    • 72 isonprize
      July 25, 2011 at 3:14 pm

      I’m right there with you, Nospin. RIGHT THERE WITH YA!! Somehow I get the feeling the Pres. Obama is teaching a master class. And there are a WHOLE lotta folks that are getting ‘schooled’ For real!! 8) 8)

    • 73 halo.
      July 25, 2011 at 3:18 pm

      Nospin, I really wish he hadn’t said that about the 14th today. It was his escape hatch. Now he’ll have to decide whether we go into default or get totally draconian cuts. Just faith doesn’t work here. Legislative reality tells us what’s going to happen.

      • 74 tally
        July 25, 2011 at 4:35 pm

        What were his WORDS? If he says HE can’t use it – well, that’s clear by the wording. On the other hand, CONGRESS MUST ENFORCE. That is also clear by the wording.

        wat do?

        • 75 nospin
          July 25, 2011 at 10:26 pm

          Tally – I he said he had his lawyers look into it and it wasn’t a viable option or something to that effect. He discussed it during this week’s presser. I forgot which day sorry.

          Personally, I hoped he wouldn’t use it so that was fine with me. Thinking he won’t need it. At minimum, the debt limit would be raised. This country is in such a deep hole financially, what’s a few months to deal with balancing the budget. It is critical that we sweep the repubs out of Congress next year.

    • July 25, 2011 at 3:36 pm

      I am with you nospin. I trust the Lord and I trust PBO. I know our President is a praying man and a man that has a good heart – oh I do believe God’s favor is over him and because this is not a game for him unlike the teapublicans – we the people are what our President is looking out for and he and we shall succeed. I too am calm!

    • 77 PoliticalJunkessa
      July 25, 2011 at 4:13 pm

      I’m with you. I’m chillin’ til this is ovah. I’m too through with these teathuglicans, and I trust they will get their comeuppance. I’m waiting to see how this whole debacle will shake out during the first week in August. That’s about as much mental energy I’m devoting to the rest of this clusterf*ck.

      I just want PBO to enjoy his 50th birthday (and for all of us to enjoy it vicariously). Screw the rest.

  16. July 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    I wish the press had asked Harry Reid some procedural questions, like when this proposal will be introduced and how it will proceed.

  17. 84 halo.
    July 25, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Mr. President, why would you rule out the 14th amendment today?! You know exactly what’s going to happen: 1) Boehner passes some crazy bill. 2) McConnell filibusters Senate. 3) Senate votes on Boehner’s crazy bill 4) If it goes through, you’ll be FORCED to sign because you ruled out the 14th amendment!

  18. July 25, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    PBO is on record as having approved of Reid’s current plan.

    • 86 desertflower
      July 25, 2011 at 3:45 pm

      That means the loons will say no.

      • July 25, 2011 at 4:02 pm

        The way Schumer was basically double dog daring them to say no, saying that they give the GOP exactly what they wanted and couldn’t refuse, I think they want them to refuse. This is just to further illustrate how the GOP can’t say “yes” to anything. Even when they get everything they want. We’re eight days out, out of time. Boehner will get one more bill to the floor and hopes it will get four Dem votes. However the GOP are exposing exactly what they are doing and it will be much harder to win those four votes as a result. Once it fails in the Senate again than Boehner will be out of moves. I think he has told the big money interests that he has one last gambit and if it doesn’t work he’ll have to fold. I mean think about things – the Dems with this offer will give the GOP what they called for at the start – no revenues, dollar – for – dollar cuts to raise limit and they turned it down.

        The key will be if Reid can hold his caucus. If he can, Boehner doesn’t have a play because Reid’s bill could get 70 Dem house votes meaning it would only need 148 of his 242. Dems could probably get 20 more to boot meaning Boehner would need about half his caucus.

        If Reid can get his to the floor and get it passed, then in order to get Boehner’s next offering to a vote he could say “only if you vote on mine in the House”. Then it gets interesting. Could Boehner hold his moderates when the clock ticking down and this the last big shot before it expires? He’d potentially lose either way – either he loses them and it shows a bi-partisan deal, or it holds and they all turn down the offer they desired when this whole gambit started.

  19. 88 Me4obama
    July 25, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Am reading The Promise by Jonathan Alter and am telling you, this President is not the one to be messed with and it has brought me to conclude that the 14th Amendiment is the only option he is going to use and he will DARE the crazies to impeach him.
    TOD family u are going to watch history being made for the first time since this nation’s founding and it will be live on Tele.

    • 89 halo.
      July 25, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      How can he use it if he ruled it out today, Me4Obama? Baffles me.

    • July 25, 2011 at 4:13 pm

      I’m wondering if there is something other than the 14th that the President could use unilaterally. National security related – because troops would be defunded and rates would sky rocket which would hurt defence funding now and in the future.

      Either way I wouldn’t be surprised to see an oval office address at 9pm on August 2nd. He can make his case to likely an audience of 50M+ that the Dems bent over backwards, gave the GOP exactly what they wanted but it was never enough that they wanted deep cuts to social security and medicare, into education and into R&D and were unwilling to raise any revenues to do it. He could then go over what it would mean if there was a default – detailed description of what would happen to military readiness, seniors, students, middle class, the poor, business and business lending, interest rates etc and this is what the GOP signed off to happen because they wouldn’t say yes to anything, even the deal they initially wanted. He could quote Reagan, and Bush, and all other GOP Presidents going back, he could remark how 130 current members of the GOP House caucus voted to raise the debt ceiling cleanly under GWBush. Finally he could invoke some Presidential power to say that he will not let this happen to America, America pays it’s debts and will continue to do so as long as he is President.

    • 92 ber6964
      July 25, 2011 at 4:16 pm

      Got my wine and popcorn ready!
      By the Huffie is reporting a bomb threat to Grover’s offices, B-Tard probably called it in himself. Further why the F is calling the Police, doesn’t he know that is what his no taxes = no serves?

    • 94 ber6964
      July 25, 2011 at 4:18 pm

      Got my wine and popcorn ready!
      By the way Huffie is reporting that a bomb threat has been made to Grover’s offices, B-Tard probably made it up called it in himself. Further why the F is calling the Police, doesn’t he know that his no taxes = no services?

  20. 95 Ladyhawke
    July 25, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Hee’s the latest from Steve Benen…..


    Yes, this is probably a good time to note that Republicans reflexively oppose everything President Obama supports, which means the White House endorsement immediately imperils the Reid offer.

    That said, one the specific points in the statement jumped out: the plan from the Senate Majority Leader features cuts that were “previously agreed to by both parties.” In other words, Harry Reid is calling the GOP’s bluff twice — once with the overall target, and again with the cuts themselves.

    As for the plan itself, as advertised, it offers $2.7 trillion in savings, $1.2 trillion of which will come from discretionary spending cuts. Another $1 trillion relies on savings from ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Remember, the Senate Majority Leader’s framework effectively uses the GOP ransom note as a blueprint. Reid’s plan (1) includes about $2.7 trillion in debt reduction, just as Republicans demanded; (2) brings in nothing in the way of new revenue just as Republicans demanded; and (3) requires only one debt-ceiling increase this Congress, just as GOP leaders demanded.

    Will Republicans refuse to take “yes” for an answer? Almost certainly, yes, they will. But it will be interesting to hear them explain why Harry Reid gave the GOP everything the party claimed it wanted, and the offer was still deemed inadequate.

    As for the process, if Reid’s plan is going to serve as the Democratic proposal to resolve the crisis, the Senate leadership is going to have to move quickly to put the plan in legislative form and start the clock on a vote. And if the House ignores Reid’s offer, and keeps pushing Speaker Boehner’s alternative, we can expect a legislative train-wreck later in the week, en route to a meltdown next week.


  21. 96 Me4obama
    July 25, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Does anyone one know what orange and Toddler said in their press conference.

    • 97 utaustinliberal
      July 25, 2011 at 4:47 pm

      I watched a chunk of the GOP press conference. Boehner said that the GOP had come up with a new debt ceiling plan. It’s a two part plan that was built using some ideas from Cut, Cap and Balance. Boehner only spoke a little and Cantor with his phony southern accent took over and said if POTUS doesn’t sign this deal, or if the senate doesn’t call the bill up, then they’ll make sure to let the American people know that POTUS is putting the country in jeopardy. Stupid ass-hats. This is their plan:

      1. They’ll raise the debt ceiling by having $900 billion in spending cuts. This deal will raise the ceiling until January 2012. There will be no tax revenue.

      2. In January 2012, there’ll automatically be $1.6 trillion in spending cuts with no tax revenue and that’ll raise the ceiling to 2013.

      In the meantime, they’ll keep on having talks on where there can be more cuts but no revenue increase. The problem with their plan is that it raises the debt in a series of extensions; which proves to the market that the US isn’t serious about real fiscal reform. The other problem with their plan is that the GOP members would shake on a deal to potentially raise the debt ceiling into 2013. There is no contract signed or no binding bill that forces them to achieve the second part of their plan. So basically we’ll be right where we started come January 2012. They’ll bicker and bicker, it’ll be another showdown and we’re not even sure if there’ll be votes come 2012 to raise the debt ceiling into 2013. The plan is just another way to kick the can down the road and shirk their responsibilities.

      • 98 tally
        July 25, 2011 at 5:00 pm

        This is why it won’t happen: “which proves to the market that the US isn’t serious about real fiscal reform.” It’s too easy to tip this one on it’s head. Of course, if they’re still this stupid…..

        I don’t see them going against all their REAL donors who stand to lose more by the markets tanking than anyone in Washington will.

        It is a game of chicken. But the GOP have a lot more to lose, since it’s THEIR BASE that has all the money.

    July 25, 2011 at 4:32 pm


    • 100 Me4obama
      July 25, 2011 at 4:43 pm

      Holyshit. Bring it Mr. President. The American People are on your side.

    • July 25, 2011 at 4:46 pm

      OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH SHIT!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHH SHIT!!!!!!! OOOOOOOHHHHHHH SHITTTTTTTTT!!!!!!! Da shit is gonna hit de fan tonight baby!!! Uh-oh.

      • 102 tally
        July 25, 2011 at 4:55 pm

        ok – indulging fantasies:

        1. Obama walks up to podium: Takes off his jacket, rolls up his sleeves. Reads the 14th. Stressing CONGRES SHALL ENFORCE. (American to pay for shit she already bought and will use through end of 2012.) Picks up jacket and throws it over his shoulder. Walks away.

        2. Obama walks up to podium: (See #1) but before he picks up jacket, he puts on a leather one, puts on a fedora, picks up a bullwhip. Walks away.

        3. Walks up to Podium and places a peach tree switch (branch) on it. (See #1)

        I know I’m being silly….. but I can’t help it! The metaphors are running wild in my head!

  23. 103 makesense4tulips
    July 25, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    yep its all over twitter

  24. 105 PoliticalJunkessa
    July 25, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    PBO should pull down his pants, moon us, and tell the teapublicans to kiss his ass…..can you tell I’m tired of this bull? 😈

    • July 25, 2011 at 5:52 pm

      hahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha!!! PJ!!!! You perve! You KNOW you only wanna see PBO’s naked butt!!!! Shame on you!……….. ah, yeah. I’d like to see it too 😉

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