35 Responses to “‘the once noble newsweek….’”


  1. 1 bootoomee
    July 12, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Ooff topic. The words below were posted on the Bill Maher video post but I wish more TODers can see read this there’s no more traffic on that particular post:

    I think folks are a little too hard on Bill Maher. While it is true that he can be too hard on PBO, I think his anger and frustration is genuine and more often than not, he stands up for the president and hits the republicans/teabaggers really hard (much harder than PBO BTW). As shown in this video, he calls out the republicans for the obstructionist racists they are.

    Say what what you may about Bill Maher but he is not a phony who wants to make money off Obama bashing. I believe that he genuinely likes the president and wishes him well.

    I love this site and have been visiting for months. Although I only just started posting, I have always followed the conversation here. I think Chipsticks deserve huge accolades for setting up and maintaining TOD. However, a word of caution: We cannot demonize everybody who says a bad word about the president. There are pundits like Tweety, Bill Maher (and even Lawrence O’donell) etc who we all know (or maybe that I know) who truly wish PBO well but would often, on the spur of the moment, say silly things about him. We can chide them and then forgive but what we cannot afford is to continue to blacklist everybody who makes a critical or even rude comment about him.

    If we all think about it, PBO will not approve of this. I support the president by adopting his philosophy of open mindedness, broad concensus and willingness to forgive and embrace his enemies. Not just politically, I take PBO as my role model in various facets of my life. I find myself often wondering: “What would Obama do?”. I enjoin us all to take this view.

    BTW, this does not apply to the the Glenn Greenbecks, Mark Halperins and the Jane Hamsters (no typo) of this world. I say FUCK THEM ALL!!!

    Bootoomee

    • 2 nintendowii10
      July 12, 2011 at 10:11 am

      I lost all respect for Bill Mahar when he said President Obama needed to be more like Suge Knight, and needed to channel George W. Bush, I think all that weed destroyed Mahar’s braincells.

    • 3 Brian
      July 12, 2011 at 10:39 am

      I’m still trying to figure out some of the nicknames around here. Who is Tweety?

    • July 12, 2011 at 10:53 am

      I think you’re right bootoomee, it’s important that we distinguish between the fake ‘progressives’ with agendas and people like Maher and O’Donnell who, I agree, genuinely wish the President well. Not sure I’d put Matthews in that category, his inconsistency bewilders me! I suppose we all just get worn down sometimes by the ceaseless attacks from the supposed ‘left’, so we tend to lump all these commentators in to one category, not sure anymore who’s sincere and who’s not. Maher bugs me sometimes and I think he can be ridiculously unrealistic about what the President can achieve in the face of all this opposition, but I admire him a lot, he’s a smart guy whose heart is, I think, in the right place.

      • 8 dotster
        July 12, 2011 at 1:28 pm

        Agree, and Maher has made me really angry at times. But I heard him say he “loved” Obama last night on CNN, mentioning all his attractive qualities of which we are well aware. But then went on to crab that President Obama hadn’t magically enacted all his fave things, forgetting that liberals aren’t 100% in control of Congress. Hardly.

      • 9 bootoomee
        July 12, 2011 at 2:16 pm

        Hi Chipsticks,

        A rather late response but I’ve been off my computer for a while – work (sigh).

        I really think that Chris Matthews likes the president. But since that “tingle” statement, he has been trying too hard to appear ‘unbiased’ by being biased against PBO and saying ridiculous things. Maybe I’m being naive but I strongly believe that deep down Tweety is an obamabot. BTW, I hope you don’t mind but I love to call myself an Obot to make the haters know that I am not ashamed of supporting this president anytime, anywhere! I am also a liberal who doesn’t mind being called a progressive but not the other way round.

        The opposite of Tweety (as I was saying) is that ever BLOVIATING pretender and corporate sell-out: Arianna Bluffington. I have never for once seen her as a supporter of PBO. She was too much of a bloviator and a fake for my liking. For someone who sold her platform for ‘progressive’ dialogue to the much hated corporations, I’ve always wondered how she can with a straight call the president a “sell out who is not into the middle class”. That BLOVIATING idiot. It is only in America that a privileged woman can call a man who turned down wall street as Harvard Law president (with student loans to pay) for the southside of Chicago a sell-out. Are these people even real?

        Enough of my ramblings.

        Keep up the great work Chips!

    • 10 PoliticalJunkessa
      July 12, 2011 at 11:22 am

      I agree somewhat. I think the President has a much tougher skin, and a more wicked sense of humor, than some of his supporters. Some things that have had people up in arms I have actually thought are very funny (like the black guy at the republican roast) — but I admit I have a naughty streak. :mrgreen:

      What keeps everything in perspective for me is the overarching fact that all these people (both those I “like” and those I don’t) are simply paid opinion-givers. They get paid to TALK FOR A LIVING. No more, no less. They have to pull stuff out of their ass eveyr 24 hours and stare into a t.v. screen for an hour (at least) and make words come out of their mouths. When you get paid to talk for a living, and you have to produce words every day, many times you’re gonna say dumb shit.

      I don’t watch the obvious idiots and people with malicious motives. They’re going to keep on talking because that’s what they get paid to do. Me watching them supports them, and I’m not about to do that. All they care about is eyeballs, and people who are watching with angry eyeballs and just as valuable to them as people who watch with supportive eyeballs.

      I watch maybe one or two pundits on a semi-regular basis simply because I know it’s rare I’ll hear PBO bashing, or I might like their take on things.

      Then, there are times I enjoy a clip like the one by Maher that someone else has identified and made available — but Maher is not appointment t.v. for me by any means. I watch the clip and move on.

      If I never got to see another talking head pundit, my life wouldn’t be any the lesser. So I take it or leave it.

    • 12 QuietObserver
      July 12, 2011 at 12:18 pm

      To be honest, I just don’t like his attitude, never have. That’s not to say that he isn’t sometimes really hilarious or spot on in his analysis. But he is waaaaay too impressed with himself, he’s dismissive and patronizing to people he doesn’t agree with, he reeks of chauvinism….and he’s one of those white guys who thinks that because he has dated black women, that he, by osmosis, understands how black men think and can therefore dictate to them how they should act.

    • 13 Puddin
      July 12, 2011 at 2:35 pm

      Criticism is fine, but the utterly disrespectful things that Bill Maher has said (and probably continue to say because of the lack of respect, even lack of self respect) I do not accept nor appreciate. I can’t do without Bill Maher!

  2. 14 carolyn
    July 12, 2011 at 9:58 am

    There used to be a triumvirate of weekly news magazines: Time, Newsweek and U.S. News & World Report. When I was a debater in college, U.S. News was accepted as a source because it was considered center of the road. Time had a decidedly right leaning, and Newsweek was decidedly left. However, each one was informative and educational, and comparing them was a thoughtful exercise. It is sad to see Newsweek decend to the tabloid level, and isn’t U.S. News gone? How long before Time bites the dust. This article really looks like the death throes of Newsweek.

    • 15 desertflower
      July 12, 2011 at 10:12 am

      How right you are! And as a fellow debater… extemporaneous speaking was my thing….these magazines were staples for me during that time.I have to wonder, with media so slanted to one side, as it is now….how those debaters, debate:) Death throes, to be sure.

  3. 16 Fred
    July 12, 2011 at 10:00 am

    was it Jonathan Altman kissing Palin’s derriere? 🙄

    • 17 Bill
      July 12, 2011 at 10:09 am

      No, it was someone wirh whom I was not familiar. I don’t know his name but saw him being interviewed on TV, and he was just as sickning in his praise for the half term governor as he was in print.

  4. 18 MTmarilyn
    July 12, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Lawrence was on fire last night. It was his best show ever.

    Good morning everyone. I am gone for the day. See you all tonight. Keep up the great work everyone!

  5. 19 Brian
    July 12, 2011 at 10:06 am

    I’ve been a longtime Newsweek subscriber, and I was more than willing to see where Tina Brown would take it. However, with the loss of columists like Zakaria and with the debacle of the ghoulish (and pointless) Princess Diana cover story and now this Palin trash, I will not be renewing.

    • 20 utaustinliberal
      July 12, 2011 at 12:45 pm

      That Diana cover story was just a step too far for me; I’m like, she’s dead let her rest in peace. I still like the different opinions on Newsweek and The Daily Beast, so I’ll reserve my judgement and see where Tina Brown is taking both news organizations. They’ve covered some great stories and have writen some wonderful articles, so I sincerely hope they stop trying to go tabloid. Especially with Sarah Palin on the cover. Everyone knows she has NOTHING relevant to add to the conversation.

  6. 22 desertflower
    July 12, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Between both clips posted here of L O’D’s show, it is quite apparent that some vacation time did wonders for him! The man was on point and on fire! Great job,Lawrence. Great job!

  7. 23 meta
    July 12, 2011 at 10:24 am

    I went to see who the author is and it’s Peter J. Boyer, someone I’ve never even heard of. I glanced at the photos and skimmed for about all of 2 seconds, more than I can take. Cannot stand this woman. And I have to say those photos are really awful. They look like amateur work done for somebody’s flyer. Her posing is incredibly contrived and undignified and truly silly. It’s like she’s saying “I can win…..a T-shirt contest.” And I think she looks terrible, tired and worn out. Time will not be kind to her.

  8. July 12, 2011 at 10:26 am

    This is really spread around the twitterverse right now, as well as the other @Lawrence segment from last night.

  9. 25 Senior4Obama
    July 12, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Excellent post bootoomee. I agree with you 100%. I happen also to like Bill Maher and on occassion Lawrence O’donnell. But don’t be do hard on the TOD’ers, It’s just our love for him spilling over. We are very protective of our president and most of us are simply reacting to the constant stream of unjust criticism of the POTUS. A finer group of people you will not find anywhere. Love you all.

    • July 12, 2011 at 10:50 am

      Newsweek must not be doing well. I guess they think they have landed something special. Well the joke is on Newsweek. I wouldn’t take it if they offer it to me free.

      • 27 Chi
        July 13, 2011 at 2:51 am

        Anniebella, Tina Brown who now runs Newsweek is simply a spiteful, racist gossip hound steeped in deception and a burning desire to be relevant even if she has to lie, cheat and destroy…

        She is evil and has absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever…

        Please do not support Newsweek…

  10. 28 Anonymous
    July 12, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Re Maher and the like, and tolerating them as PBO does, I say, PBO HAS to work with buttholes in DC, I don’t. Just as I tolerate folks at work that I wouldn’t be bothered with outside of work, he does what he does for the process. For anyone who takes stereotypical slants in critiquing of the President, I hold them fully accountable. This is 2011 after all, and they KNOW what they say is either racist, politically biased, and just misinformation. No excuses for such even in passionate rants. They play to a certain audience, and come around when they know they have pushed too far. F… Maher, and anyone who ascribes stereotypes to PBO, as they are ascribing same upon my grown AA son !

    This is edp4bho, anon at work.

    • 29 meta
      July 12, 2011 at 11:05 am

      I agree, edp4bho. I’m not ever going to support people who perpetuate racism and who try to pass off their glib racist remarks as popular culture.

      People don’t run for President so they can go to DC and hang out with their friends. But I expect respect for President Obama at the very LEAST.

      • July 12, 2011 at 11:50 am

        I agree with you meta and edp4bho as well. What is truly disturbing to me is that these folks are often just wrong with their criticism. And yes, so much of it is racially tinged. Pres Obama is the same man that he was when he ran and won over America. Now he’s supposed to change because some comedian or pundit who would never take on the hard work of governing this ungrateful stupid country says so?

        As an Obama supporter and lover of this country, I see my role as calling out these folks who most times are helping the R agenda. I’m rather tired of being told that as a supporter I have to be able to criticize this president. Why? Why can’t I be an unapologetic supporter of a president who’s done more for this country than Bush or Clinton but people can act like Clinton and Bush walked on water?

        Sorry, Maher, Ed, Rachel, Keith and the others get no slack from me.

        • 31 Anonymous
          July 12, 2011 at 12:16 pm

          ” Why can’t I be an unapologetic supporter of a president who’s done more for this country than Bush or Clinton but people can act like Clinton and Bush walked on water?”

          It’s me again, “waving”….edp4bho….LOL. My sentiments exactly, and if I have any beef with PBO, it is so damn minor it doesn’t warrant discussion, anymore than discussing a dear family member who annoys me. I like what Rev Al was saying yesterday. Paraphrasing, he said there are those who “strapped on their brogans and supported Bubba”, yet want to “tap dance” for the masses when it comes to PBO. Yes, we have some politically deranged citizenry in this country, and in the AA community in particular. I take no prisoners when you insult my intelligence with bs punditry.

        • 32 Chi
          July 13, 2011 at 2:47 am

          Spot on POB and EDP4PBO…

  11. 33 lisalovesobama
    July 12, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    hahahahaha. this was a good segment. My dad gets Newsweek. When I go home, I’m gonna show him this clip 😀

  12. July 12, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Palin’s peeps are not being honest with her. I didn’t like her last cover and this recent one is hideous. As much I despise that hateful, spiteful, petty know-nothing, she has a pretty face and this pic makes her look skeletal and old. I read one comment that said she looks like Roseanne Barr.

  13. 35 Chi
    July 13, 2011 at 2:58 am

    It was strange to hear Carl Bernstein try to admonish Lawrence for doing this segment on Newsweek…

    Carl really needs to get grip…

    This attempt at taking up for his dubious and sleazy money hungry friends at Newsweek, is embarrassing and the joke is on Carl…


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