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Steve Benen: … let’s note two broader truths. The first is that Republicans don’t really give a damn about debt reduction. They care about taxes and shielding the wealthy from having to pay a little more. The parties, then, are talking past one another — Dems think they’re involved in a good-faith effort to reduce the budget shortfall with a sensible, balanced approach to bring the budget closer to balance. Republicans think they’re involved in an effort to cut spending — not because of the deficit, but because it’s what they like to do anyway — and protect tax giveaways.

… The second is that Republicans, as is their new nature, simply can’t bring themselves to even consider compromise. Americans elected a Democratic president, a Democratic Senate, and a Republican House. Given these circumstances, GOP leaders are absolutely convinced that the only fair resolution is that Republicans get everything they want, and Dems simply go along. And if Dems balk, Republicans will crash the economy on purpose.

It’s nothing short of insane.

Talks will resume today, and are scheduled to continue, literally every day, until there’s an agreement.

Full post here

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Jonathan Cohn (TNR): Does anything matter to Republicans more than protecting tax cuts for the very wealthy? Developments of the last 18 hours suggest very strongly that the answer is no.

… Such a large deal would have required Republicans to agree to new revenue, in some form. And at least some of that money would have come from higher taxes (in terms of total collections, if not rates) on the very wealthy. Boehner hinted that might be acceptable, as part of a compromise….

But other Republican leaders, like Majority Leader Eric Cantor, and certain conservative agitators, like the writers of the Wall Street Journal editorial page, made very clear they disagreed. No matter how big the Democratic concessions, no matter how risky the prospect of postponing a deal on the debt ceiling, they were not willing to embrace a package that meant higher taxes, particularly taxes on the wealthy. And according to reports in this morning’s papers, those voices finally prevailed.

…. as the skeptics, like my colleague Jonathan Chait, were predicting all along, Boehner isn’t really in charge of the House Republican caucus. The lunatics are. And it looks like they’ve won.

Full post here

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Ezra Klein: The more I hear about the breakdown of the debt deal, the more this seems to have been a straightforward humbling of John Boehner. Here’s how a Democratic aide described the talks to Politico’s Mike Allen:

A number of folks in the room were struck by the fact that Cantor did virtually all of the talking for House Republicans, while Boehner basically just sat there.

Think that’s just Democratic spin? Here’s how a top Republican lawmaker described it to John Bresnahan, Jonathan Allen and Jake Sherman:

“It’s crazy to think the speaker was considering a trillion [dollars] in tax increases. After all, we’re the anti-tax party,” said one veteran Republican lawmaker close to leadership. “Cantor brought him, the economy and our party back from the abyss. Cantor is strengthened, clearly. And it’s another example of the speaker almost slipping beyond the will of the GOP conference.”

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39 Responses to “monday”


  1. 1 cuphalffull
    July 11, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Its called abusing power. We have a whole crew of power abusers in our elected positions on the GOP side. It is so important the someone of the President’s caliber is in the office he holds. We need to face down these people. This is the fight of our time. My parents had theirs and stepped up. Now we have our own version of fascism to face right here at home.

  2. 2 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    July 11, 2011 at 9:18 am

    THE GOP WORKS FOR US…THEY ARE ON OUR PAYROLL. THIS IS A GOVERNMENT FOR AND BY THE PEOPLE…NOT BY THE GOP. TO BE SURE…IF THEY DO NOT COOPERATE THERE WILL BE A MARCH ON WASHINGTON NEVER BEFORE SEEN IN OUR HISTORY. WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO STAND ANYMORE FOR THEIR GREEDFUL ABUSE. THIS HAS TO STOP!

  3. 3 Mae who love our CIC
    July 11, 2011 at 9:21 am

    It is really ashamed that these people are sitting in Congress earning two salaries one from the government and another from their masters. What is so hard about working for the good of all Americans. Pride in ones selfish motive will cripple this country if they don’t change their ways. This is how divorce occurs. Unwillingness to come to s common ground. Most of them need to resign their positions and go on home. They aren’t doing a dang gon thing for anybody.

    Raise the debt payment ceiling. Close the tax loop holes for the good of this country.
    You can’t bring our President down without everybody going down. What will the Repubs and PL do. Leave the USA.

    • 4 SUE DUVALL SMITH
      July 11, 2011 at 9:26 am

      THIS IS A REVOLUTION OF THE GOP’S MAKING…HOPING TO OUST PBO AND TAKE CONTROL OF AMERICA! TO BE SURE…THEY WILL REOPEN THE PLANTATION FIELDS! THEY MUST BE STOPPED!

  4. 5 utaustinliberal
    July 11, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Honestly these repubs must think they live in a world where you are the minority in terms of power and you think you get to abuse everyone and call the shots. I watched each and everyone of them on Morning Joe this morning and they were all for SS cuts, Medicare and Medicaid cuts but as soon as anyone mentioned closing tax loopholes and tax subsidies, they said that’s not the sensible thing to do. So it’s sensible to screw the middle and working class, screw senior citizens but egad! to screw the wealthy is just not “sensible.” Because they’re a special breed of humans who must be cossetted and protected at all costs.

    ps: Joe Scarborough (@JoeNBC) of Morning Joe blocked me on twitter b/c when the Mark Halperin incident happened I called him out, told him he was a douchebag and would not let up on him. Hahahaha.. somebody’s a scaredy cat. Also a couple of conservative journalists and a conservative lawyer who works for the repubs is following me now. Hang on for the ride suckers b/c no longer shall you denigrate President Obama and think you can get away with it. We will ALWAYS call you scumbags out.

    • 6 ChristiMtl
      July 11, 2011 at 9:31 am

      lol utaustinliberal, not surprised that he blocked you, it’s so typical of him. I sent him a few myself.

    • 7 SUE DUVALL SMITH
      July 11, 2011 at 9:31 am

      THE TRICK IS TO CALL THEM OUT WITH DECENT LANGUAGE AS THE PRESIDENT DOES. WE DO NOT NEED TO STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL! WE MUST HOLD ONTO OUR INTEGRITY AS OBAMA KIDS!

  5. July 11, 2011 at 9:25 am

    We need REAL PATRIOTS in Congress, not these economic terrorists and committers of treason. 👿

    Also, Steve Benen needs to have his own radio and/or t.v. show.

    • 9 ChristiMtl
      July 11, 2011 at 9:34 am

      Don’t you know? That’s not how the corrupt media operate.

      That’s one of my tweet that I posted yesterday that says it all!!

      ”’Putting fancy mustard on a burger (anti-American), crashing the economy on purpose and hoping for the US to defaults (God loving patriots).

      The corruption in the media is out of this world.

      Remember how much CNN legitimized the tea party? Like an honest grass movement, it was sickening.

  6. 10 prettyfoot58
    July 11, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Those old time Republicans like Boehner and McConnel ..(both have been in Congress over 20 yrs) know that the debt ceiling has to be raised…..they have both raised it numerous times…..7 times during the Bush years…

    • 11 SUE DUVALL SMITH
      July 11, 2011 at 9:28 am

      THEY ARE DOING THIS TO CREATE A SITUATION THAT WILL BE USED TO OUST PBO! THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THEIR PLAN! AMERICANS NEED TO WAKE UP AND LISTEN!

  7. July 11, 2011 at 9:26 am

    You are right, We the People need to speak up, show up and let them know we mean business. I see a boycott on those who get rich here but don’t pay taxes here.

    • 13 SUE DUVALL SMITH
      July 11, 2011 at 9:29 am

      I AM BETTING THIS WILL END UP IN A HUGE MARCH ON WASHINGTON…WE’LL FIRE THE GOP IN PERSON!

      • 14 Jax6655
        July 11, 2011 at 9:40 am

        Sue. Please stop typing in ALL CAPS. It is shouting

        • 15 SUE DUVALL SMITH
          July 11, 2011 at 10:13 am

          I HAVE BEEN ON ‘O’ SITES SINCE 2007…I DO THAT FOR MY EYES! ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME KNOWS I DON’T SHOUT! BLESSINGS!

          • 16 lisalovesobama
            July 11, 2011 at 11:01 am

            😉 Hey Sue! How are you doing? It would be great if there was a march on Washington, more specifically, Capitol Hill. But knowing those tools, the day we decided to march would be the day they are on holiday…..they seem to do that so often 😕

  8. 17 Fred
    July 11, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Rich and Party First;Country Last

    this should be the GOP’s new slogan

  9. 18 Mae who love our CIC
    July 11, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I am so pissed because they have taken a situation that is so simple and turned it into a power struggle. The GOP and anybody else who won’t raise the debt payment ceiling are dead beats. We have made the bills and now it is time to pay them.
    All the third world country are having a revolution and they are overthrowing their dictatorial government. And here in America, the greatest country ever are trying to follow a dictatorial government. When have we ever not cared about the poor, the disable, and the needs of our people.
    Yes the GOP is trying to take this country back to the plantations, where if you need employment and want employment it will be offered below the minimum wage. It won’t happen because they will not be able to live in our own country. It will be CHAOS FOR EACH OF US.

  10. 19 Mae who love our CIC
    July 11, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Oops, countries not country

    • 20 SUE DUVALL SMITH
      July 11, 2011 at 10:16 am

      THIS IS EXACTLY HOW THE GOP HAS PLANNED IT. THEY DON’T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO FIGHT THIS PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE HAS DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT AND IS EMBARRASSING THEM. THEY DON’T WANT A TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT…THEY WANT SECRECY W/ THE KOCH BROS. AND TO CONTINUE TO ROB THE MIDDLE CLASS TILL. PBO WAS AN UNEXPECTED WIN TO THEM. HE PUT A HUGE DENT IN THEIR PLANS!

  11. July 11, 2011 at 10:14 am

    I turned on msnbc and toomey was on saying that the president wants to raise taxes on the American people, then I turned on cnbc and corker was on saying the exact same thing.
    Folks, this is all the republicans do, they hit the airwaves with there crap. They dont govern so they have all the time to chat away!

    • 22 hopefruit2
      July 11, 2011 at 10:20 am

      They are enabled by their friends in the media. The Republican MSM needs to be tweeted, emailed and phoned, literally harassed in order to get them to be HONEST, once and for all.

      • 23 ChristiMtl
        July 11, 2011 at 10:28 am

        I read an article this morning from 2003 that says it all.

        my tweet

        In 2003, a Florida Court agreed unanimously with FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the US.

        This is it. Not one of the problem, it’s the ONLY problem in the US.

        There’s no rules, no regulations, they manipulate the public as they wish, lies, distort, anything goes, they are an extension of the GOP.

        All in the name of freedom of speech.

        Yea right, lets see how much freedom will be left with a far right gvt.

        It’s the opposite of freedom.

        News stations are suppose to report the news, report facts, period……….not be a tool for Corporate America and the GOP.

      • 24 dotster
        July 11, 2011 at 10:51 am

        I noted the newspaper stories—AP and Reuters—-all are describing the struggle as Dems wanting to raise taxes. Not until you get to about the 20th paragraph do they clarify and say taxes on the wealthiest 1%. Very deceiving and purposely misleading the public.

  12. 25 ChristiMtl
    July 11, 2011 at 10:18 am

    I’m so angry at Murdoch and the rest of the corrupt media for the rise of the far right.

    If ever (God forbid) they win the White House in 2012 with the help of Corporate America MSM, Georges Bush will look like a moderate.

  13. 26 hopefruit2
    July 11, 2011 at 10:27 am

    In the first photograph, our president appears to be looking away, but you can tell that he is intensely focused on what that sleezy Can’t or is saying to our Speaker Pelosi.

  14. 27 lmrj
    July 11, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Time to stop concentrating on the corporate media and set about creating our own news system. We have the internet at our disposal. When there’s a propaganda machine in place and at work 24/7, we become best way of getting the word out to our own circle. Each one teach one…. at least one….. or 100.

  15. 28 Fred
    July 11, 2011 at 10:37 am

    “Cantor the economy back from the abyss”

    Cantor saved the economy from the abyss? 😯

    well ain’t that a bitch! 😡

  16. 31 hopefruit2
    July 11, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Here is a good comparison chart showing the number of Republican votes to increase the debt ceiling since 1997. As anyone can readily see, the GOP’s anti-debt ceiling increase only started once Obama became president (2009-present). Before 2009, they were voting in the majority for debt ceiling increases. The data is in plain view. The facts are there. No spin or “interpretation” necessary. The numbers speak for themselves.

    http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1500-The-Republicans-Haven-t-Always-Been-Against-Raising-the-Debt-Ceiling

    This is true of many other supposed stances of the Republican party. They are NOT honest brokers. They are NOT negotiating in good faith. They want President Obama to fail, and consequently want the country and the American people to fail. The MSM is an extended arm of the Republican party, and should be treated as such.

  17. July 11, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Hi folks, I’m waiting for POTUS to speak and watching over at whitehouse.gov the Hispanic policy conference, wishing I had tuned into it earlier as it’s very interesting. I am once again having problems accessing Twitter, Facebook and YouTube.. and thus have been unable to facebook or tweet anything the past few days. I’m pretty sure this is my internet provider’s issue.. anyway I have grown to love tweeting all this great info and feel so out of the loop right now in not being able to access it.. I’ve become an addict!

    Anyway, wishing you all a pleasant Monday. I am really uncertain at this point how these debt ceiling negotiations are going to land. I have no doubts about President Obama, but I’m coming to the conclusion that the repubs are so willfully stuck on obstruction that they will not give in and will allow this country to default in order to prevent the wealthiest from having to pay higher taxes.

    • 33 hopefruit2
      July 11, 2011 at 11:12 am

      sherijrjr, if you look at the chart I cited in my post above, it will be obvious to you that this is no more than childish political posturing by the GOP. They need to be confronted by the public if the MSM will not challenge them on this.

  18. 35 lisalovesobama
    July 11, 2011 at 11:13 am

    What I find interesting about the Klein article about Rusty and Harum Scarum is that Rusty knows that he’s on the endangered species list due to his wild eyed psycho colleague and yet, instead of banding together with the Big Dog (PBO) to vanquish the common scourge, he sits back on his ass and does nothing but look like a helpless crybaby 🙄 What, an idiot. 😕

  19. 38 roh108
    July 11, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL, Cantor is a WEASEL!!


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