72 Responses to “embracing the ryan plan”

    • 2 sam uk obama supporter
      July 9, 2011 at 6:43 pm

      double yuck luci1119, that man is smarmy!!!!

      • 3 HZ
        July 9, 2011 at 8:43 pm

        This person causing my brain to go into overdrive boring. Who wants to hear Huntsman? Please go home Mr. Huntsman, and stay there.

  1. July 9, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Romney’s campaign has been busy scrubbing the internet.

    Hey everyone for the past month I’ve been busy trying to do some opreastion research on Team Romney ever since I heard about some damaging campaign ads that ended his senatorial run against K€ennedy.

    Well as the story goes Romney was ahead of Kennedy until these ads came out and though I hate to reference that site if you go there the story remains but the ads have been scrubbed. I’ve tried for weeks on and off googling these ads but all sites have been scrubbed of them.

    Thomas B. Edsall wrote an article on HuffPuff titled “These Ads Kept Mitt Romney Out Of The Senate”

    In that campaign, Romney was on the verge of taking down the most prominent Democrat up for election that year, Senator Ted Kennedy. In September, 1994, with just seven weeks to go, polls showed Romney slightly ahead. A wave of anti-Democratic sentiment then sweeping the nation would give the GOP control of both the House and Senate in November.

    The back-breaker for Romney was a series of television ads produced by Bob Shrum (author of the book, due out shortly, No Excuses: Concessions of a Serial Campaigner). Charlie Baker, the Kennedy campaign’s senior strategist that year, told The Huffington Post that the ads were designed “to get on the record all sides of Romney’s business career” — a hugely successful leveraged-buyout practice that Romney claimed had created jobs.

    The Kennedy campaign discovered that Ampad, a company purchased by Romney’s Bain Capital in 1992, had recently bought SCM, an office products company in Marion, Indiana. All 350 workers at the SCM plant were laid off, then offered their jobs back at reduced wages. They went on strike. The Kennedy campaign sent a crew to Marion to film the workers. A half dozen ads resulted from the interviews, most of them quoting workers denouncing Romney for lining his pockets at their expense. A women tells viewers: “I’d like to say to the people of Massachusetts, if you think it can’t happen to you, think again, because we thought it couldn’t happen here either.” Romney nosedived in the polls.

    Asked if this issue could resurface in 2008, Matt Rhoades, Romney’s communications director, told Huff Post: “Governor Romney isn’t a first-time candidate running against a Kennedy in Massachusetts this time. He is running on an agenda to bring real conservative change to Washington. He’s the right man at the right time to turn Washington around.”


    • 5 hopefruit2
      July 9, 2011 at 6:20 pm

      Romney, Romney slick and sly
      Romney let us hear you lie
      Romney Romney carry on
      One more lie, you’re going down!

      • July 9, 2011 at 6:42 pm

        That poem is so fitting the man.

        I believe he’s now lying over in London, that’s if he hasn’t returned already.

        • 7 TrumpDog
          July 9, 2011 at 7:17 pm

          Remember the right wing freakout when Obama went overseas?

          Why the cricket sounds now?

    • July 9, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      That should have read Operation research………boy I should read before I hit send.

    • 9 Fred
      July 9, 2011 at 6:53 pm

      I hope the President’s strategy people finds these people that were laid off and just the final week before the elections hammers Romney to death and they better shell out the $ to make it go national

      Romney’s got the media on his side and will cover his lies for him;the DNC should push back and push hard

    • July 9, 2011 at 7:37 pm

      I wonder if PBO’s campaign team have a copy of these Romney ads which they are saving for a rainy day? They are very resourceful.

    • 12 isonprize
      July 9, 2011 at 7:58 pm

      Try the “wayback machine” http://wayback.archive.org/web/

      • July 9, 2011 at 8:05 pm

        I’ve just tried my hand at the “wayback machine” and no luck.
        Check my thoughts out down thread about trying to drive this narrative on the internet.

    • July 9, 2011 at 9:30 pm

      don’t worry – somewhere they exist.

      when will folks learn

      the internets, bitches.
      youtube, bitches.

      you can run, but you can’t hide….Mittens will have to learn it the hard way.

  2. 15 hopefruit2
    July 9, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    G’nite jon-boy. Go home.

  3. 16 utaustinliberal
    July 9, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Oh yeah his ass is grass. Campaign Ad in 3…2….1…. Anyone endorsing the Ryan Plan to essentially KILL MEDICARE has warped priorities. Ryan is a guy who screws the middle and working class, and senior citizens with one hand then sits back wit his fat cat buddies at a DC restaurant, consumes two bottles of wine that cost $350 a bottle, (many people could do a lot with that desperately needed money) insults and laughs at the fact that he is potentially destroying lives. This is a plan that Jon Huntsman endorses? Where are your priniciples Huntsman?

  4. 17 mtmarilyn
    July 9, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Good afternoon TOD family. I am back in cell phone range so I am checking in to see if anything has happened while I was having a wonderful time in the mountains of MT out of cell range. Spending time in a great campground paid for by our taxes, run by the forest services. We are so blessed to live in a country that use to care about sharing nature with all of us.

    Now I have 5 days of diaries to catch up with. Hope you all are having a great day.

    Huntsman is not a threat at all. He is crazy.

    • 18 Fred
      July 9, 2011 at 6:54 pm

      nice to see ya Marilyn.Happy you were able to enjoy camping 😀

      both Romney and Huntsman are slick

      • 19 HZ
        July 9, 2011 at 8:36 pm

        Hi Mtmarilyn. Hope that you are enjoying your time in the beauty of nature. Take good care of yourself and good to see that you are checking in. Enjoy your reading.

  5. July 9, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    More and more rope these potential fools keep hanging themselves by, before 2012.. No love for seniors, children, the poor, students, the middle-class, fire fighters, police officers, teachers, nurses, veterans, or construction workers,. Who do they think they haven’t insulted.

  6. 21 ChristiMtl
    July 9, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    I thought he was exhausted a few weeks ago. I guess he found enough energy to confirm that he’s still an heartless douchebag.

  7. 22 mtmarilyn
    July 9, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    How do people still consider these guys! Don’t they understand how their lives will be affected by these policies. Low information voters drive me crazy.

  8. 23 dotster
    July 9, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Here is something interesting and suspicious that I just experienced, which I wouldn’t mention but it has happened before. I’m in Illinois and I check the Chgo Trib site often. I just noticed a new alarmist story on Obama and the economy, recently posted and one of their 3 main featured stories. So I decided to reply with news of the Economist story, “Shame on them. The Republicans are playing a cynical political game with hugely high economic stakes” and noted that it ended with “…the blame falls clearly on the Republicans. Independent voters should take note.” I thought Trib readers of that story would respect what the conservative “The Economist” had to say about the subject. A few minutes later, I decided to check back to see if there were any responses to my timely addition, and the whole thing has disappeared from the face of the earth. It was written by someone in their Washington Bureau, and it is no longer even listed on any list of stories. This has happened to me before there and at other conservative websites. Whenever I post any truth in rebuttal, the whole story gets wiped off the face of the map. It could be coincidence, but I am mighty suspicious.

    • 24 utaustinliberal
      July 9, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      They can’t handle the truth dotster. They freak out when someone shines a light on their lies. When they realize that there could be mass backlash on their shoddy “journalism” they quickly get rid of the evidence. Keep speaking truth to corrupt power dotster, because one voice can change a nation.

    • 25 Fred
      July 9, 2011 at 7:22 pm

      I am here in Chicago Dot so welcome to town my friend.I hope you enjoy the weather as it it hot as hell today 😯 😆 but nice sunny day 😀

      I do NOT read the Tribune as they are hard Right.If you want to suffer from blood pressure;read them 😡 😆

      If I were you I’d post the article on every single economic article and don’t be surprised if they take yours out 😡

      • 26 Fred
        July 9, 2011 at 7:23 pm

        good afternoon to you Dot;evening and night depending on where you are 😀

        thank you for a good day 😉

        • 27 Brian
          July 9, 2011 at 7:27 pm

          Hey, Fred, another Illinois boy here, out in the Fox Valley.

          By the way, thanks for being the first one to alert me to the condolence letter story a couple days ago.

    • July 9, 2011 at 7:40 pm

      Good observation Dotster. All the more reason to keep doing what you are doing. Next time, leave a note that you are on to them and you are watching them.

      Bunch of fraudesters.

    • 29 mtmarilyn
      July 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm

      Good for you, dotster. I never seem to have the nerve to do it. Keep up the great work.

  9. 30 Karen Sr.
    July 9, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Roht, roh…..not everyone in that room was applauding that admission.

  10. July 9, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Gosh. The guy is bland. In Liberia we would say this guy ain’t got no pepper, no salt

    • 32 utaustinliberal
      July 9, 2011 at 7:59 pm

      Snap! snap! I sooooo understand what you mean; b/c if it ain’t got no pepper, no salt; it don’t look right and it sure as heck don’t taste right! 😆

  11. July 9, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Just a thought TODers there are ways to drive the narrative on the Internet.

    Publicists and advertisers have a way of making sure their artists or products have top billing on the Internet and websites. For example you know how you go to MSN web site and you will see the heading “Trending stories” or Popular pages”, well these are stories that are most searched or are most clicked on.

    Well we have the ability to drive the narrative on the Internet just by going to Internet search engines and typing in the subject that we want to be trending. So just as we all come together and do a twitter bomb we could for instance cut and pace the subject matter “these ads that kept Romney out of the senate”. If we commit to pick a time and do this for over a two day period this could be picked up as a trending story.
    This could force people to start talking about the negative side of Romney business dealings.

    Also this could be a test of just how well this strategy will work in the future as were’re heading toward 2012..

  12. July 9, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Not too many people want to jump on the Titanic AFTER it hit the iceberg and was going down. Guess Huntsman didn’t get the memo that the Ryan plan failed. LOL!

  13. 37 meta
    July 9, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Wow, what is going on? AP is reporting that Boehner is dropping the effort for $4 trillion in deficit reductions, will seek $2 trillion deal instead. He told the President only a “smaller” package is feasible. Maybe he’s wading deep in more right-wing overreach? Unruly caucus? What is going on? Waiting to here more……..

    • July 9, 2011 at 8:31 pm

      Boehner probably don’t have the votes. That’s the difference between Speaker Nancy and him, Mrs. Nancy would fine the votes and get the job done. Should have never took that job from her.

      • 39 meta
        July 9, 2011 at 8:37 pm

        I think Boehner’s bluff was called. He doesn’t strike me as someone who does the math. PBO and crew prolly sat him down with a glass of water and pulled out the spreadsheet. The good news is that the slash and burn cutting may have died a quiet death.

    • 40 meta
      July 9, 2011 at 8:35 pm

      Boehnert: “The best approach may be to focus on…a smaller measure, based on the cuts identified in the Biden-led negotiations”

      OMG, the man is groveling!! Whistle on, Mr. President!!

      • 41 Anonymous
        July 9, 2011 at 8:41 pm

        Sounds like PBO said no deal without tax hikes or closing those tax loopholes. No free ride for corporate jet owners. Way to go, PBO. Boehner is such an incompetent tool. He’s probably in the nearest bar right now drowning his sorrows in whiskey.

      • July 9, 2011 at 8:45 pm

        Mark Knoller of CBS is reporting that PBO is holding firm on tax hikes. Way to go, Mr. President. Boehner is such an incompetent tool. He’s probably hiding from the tea party in a bar with a bottle of whiskey.

        • 43 meta
          July 9, 2011 at 8:53 pm

          I wonder if they went over the Conrad budget proposal and he saw the handwriting on the wall. Wish we knew more!!

          • 44 meta
            July 9, 2011 at 8:56 pm

            GOP source says WH would not agree with “the core elements of tax reform proposed by the Speaker.”

            Tomorrow should be interesting.

  14. 45 Anonymous
    July 9, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    There is something quite sinister about Huntsman to me.

  15. July 9, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    What else do you expect Huntsman to say. He don’t have the guts to go against those crazy Tea-Republicans. He saw what happen to Newt. So they all are on the bandwagon to destroy Medicare. Let’s hope people remember that. People’s mind will get focus on the job issue, but jobs can come back, but if you allow the Republicans to get in control and get rid of Medicare it won’t be back. I was thinking how Ronald Reagen wouldn’t even remember his party if he was here today. That’s how crazy those people are.

    • 49 meta
      July 9, 2011 at 8:47 pm

      It’s weird to see him in a room full of people are who either close or in deep with Medicare benefits and they are clapping at the thought of a Ryan budget. Do they ever read anything? And he has the gall to rub their noses in it. Seriously, these people are freaking too stupid for words.

  16. July 9, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    From twitter:

    @markknoller: GOP source says WH would not agree with “the core elements of tax reform proposed by the Speaker.”

    In other words, PBO said: Hell no to a deal w/o tax hikes. Handle your business, Mr. President.

  17. 55 gd4obama
    July 9, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    Huntsman? Moderate? I think not.

    Btw I’m new here. I’m from the Caribbean but I do follow American politics and I greatly admire, support and respect your President from afar. I hope being here is okay because the positivity here is absolutely refreshing.

    • 56 utaustinliberal
      July 9, 2011 at 9:44 pm

      Hiya gd4obama welcome to our slice of heaven. You are most welcome here as we have a couple of Caribbean brothers and sisters on this site; sooooooo jealous of your wonderful beaches and joie de vivre….. but that’s another story 😉 This site was created by the amazing Chipsticks for people who were tired of the media spin and bullshit against President Obama and his administration. We push back hard against lies by the left and rightwing alike and demand honesty. The members of this family are freaking SMART, wonderful consumers of politics, kind, compassionate, always ready to listen and when we disagree with each other, we try our best not to be disagreeable. Whenever you have some free time on your hands, I urge you to take a looksee at the archives and the blogroll for links to fabulous and real journalists. A lot of us use twitter and facebook to spread our message, so if you have a twitter account then by all means drop it in and we’ll be sure to add you to our technological family. Even if you don’t use twitter, we have fabulous family members that email, write letters and make phone calls to the msm and congressional leaders demanding truth from them. I hope you continually visit us and feel free to leave comments.

      ps: The folks on this site are not only smart, they are drop dead, turn me upside down and paint me blue FUNNY! So, once again
      welcome friend.

    • 57 dotster
      July 9, 2011 at 10:01 pm

      Being here is very okay. All contributions from near and far are most welcome. This is a good place for positivity.

  18. July 9, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    From Knoller of CBS on twitter:

    WH says Pres Obama will stand by his approach to deficit/debt limit and will urge Cong Ldrs to “take on this critica challenge.”

    In defense of tax hikes, WH/Pfeiffer says “we cannot ask the middle-class & seniors to bear all the burden of higher costs & budget cuts.”

  19. 59 meta
    July 9, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    OK, sounds like PBO is sticking by his guns. Dan Pffeiffer is indicating that the White House reaction to Boehner’s comments appears to suggest that President will push for a bigger deal anyway.

    Forge ahead!!

    • 60 meta
      July 9, 2011 at 9:26 pm

      In defense of tax hikes, WH/Pfeiffer says “we cannot ask the middle-class & seniors to bear all the burden of higher costs & budget cuts.”

      Sounds like they’re all IN.

      • 61 meta
        July 9, 2011 at 9:31 pm

        WH statement: “to back off now will not only fail to solve our fiscal challenge, it will confirm the cynicism people have about politics”

        • 62 Me4obama
          July 9, 2011 at 9:35 pm

          Is that the whole white house statement? Thanks Meta and PO for the updates. Maybe I should check out Mark knoller Twitter Page.

          • 63 meta
            July 9, 2011 at 9:42 pm

            No, I don’t think so. I’m searching but no luck so far…….

            • 64 meta
              July 9, 2011 at 9:44 pm

              OK, here it is:

              Statement from White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer on Budget Negotiations

              “The President believes that solving our fiscal problems is an economic imperative. But in order to do that, we cannot ask the middle-class and seniors to bear all the burden of higher costs and budget cuts. We need a balanced approach that asks the very wealthiest and special interests to pay their fair share as well, and we believe the American people agree.

              “Both parties have made real progress thus far, and to back off now will not only fail to solve our fiscal challenge, it will confirm the cynicism people have about politics in Washington. The President believes that now is the moment to rise above that cynicism and show the American people that we can still do big things. And so tomorrow, he will make the case to congressional leaders that we must reject the politics of least resistance and take on this critical challenge.”



              • 65 Me4obama
                July 9, 2011 at 9:49 pm

                Thanks meta. Indeed the only adult in the room. I will light a candle for him and send him some positive energy because I think Boner just had a whole bottle of whiskey he might be hangover tomorrow when negotiating with the President.

                • 66 meta
                  July 9, 2011 at 9:57 pm

                  You’re so welcome. Wish we had more info. It helps to light candles and keep our President in our highest thoughts and intentions. He’s facing the mother of all resistance. But I believe he will prevail because his solutions make the most sense and are in the best interest of our country and its people.

              • 67 lmrj
                July 9, 2011 at 10:42 pm

                WONDERFUL!!! PBO is brilliant! Isn’t this what they were asking for?… Not really they say? He will not allow them to kick the can down the road! 🙂

  20. July 10, 2011 at 2:14 am

    During the election I subscribed to Truthout.com because they seemed to have information from a liberal point of view that I wasn’t finding anywhere else. Lately they have become just another ‘progressive website’ bashing the President and the Democrats (except for Bernie Sanders) 24/7. Today’s article by William Pitt Rivers was the final straw. Called “The Looming Betrayal” it was of course, all about the debt negotiations. It said in essence “Well this is just a rumor but if it’s truth Obama has sold us down the river and we won’t stand for it and oh no the sky is falling he’s evil spineless, corporate blah blah blah!” I left a comment, my first ever, telling them exactly what I thought and unsubscribing. Unfortunately it appeared, and then disappeared. I didn’t want to repeat the whole thing but I did post this article (Daily Kos, but excellent) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/07/992060/-A-Non-Hysterical-Progressive-Analysis-of-so-called-Social-Security-Cuts-on-the-Table?via=siderec

    I left this comment with it.

    “I was scrolling to the bottom I couldn’t help but see some of the comments made here, although I was trying not to. They sound exactly like the vicious comments I’ve read on extreme ring wing websites. In what sense do you represent the ‘base” Certainly you don’t represent the majority of Democrats who support the President. Certainly you are not doing anything to help elect a Democratic president. You are not doing anything to encourage voter turnout, which might help elect more Democrats to the House or Senate? In exactly what way are you helping to advance the liberal/progressive agenda? You probably supported Alan Grayson; I liked him too. However, since he failed to be reelected, he is now no longer in a position to help anything. I don’t want to see the Democratic Party held hostage to a group of people the way the Republicans are right now.”

  21. July 10, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I guess all three comments that I left were moderated off because they all disappeared.

    • 71 utaustinliberal
      July 10, 2011 at 9:44 am

      Hey Mary Jones, those so called progressives can’t handle the truth and when one gives it to them, they remove it so that their uneducated bumbling commenters won’t know the truth and continue on in their ignorant ranting against President Obama. Thanks for your work in trying to enlighten them and don’t worry as more and more people learn the truth, they’ll start to lose even more subscribers.

    • July 10, 2011 at 10:39 am

      Hi Mary, I only found one of your comments in the pending queue (you musn’t have been logged in) and I put it through as soon as I saw it – you’ll see it in this thread.

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