ah bless, maddow defended by ‘fragile, irrational’ fact-ignoring cheerleader

Salon: ‘Maddow feels the wrath of Obama fans(Lovely, teabagger-speak!)

Natasha Lennard (Salon): Following the announcement on Friday of same sex marriage legalization in New York, Rachel Maddow made a comment on her MSNBC show – a comment which invited a backlash Maddow could not have expected …. “Obama is against what just happened” she said … the comment invited a backlash on Twitter from Obama fans, and some of the criticism was heated.

“What u said was that Obama was against what happened in NY which is inherently dishonest. U made like he lobbied against the bill,” read one tweet; “why did you lie?” demanded another; and “@maddow has Hate and Racism towards Obama!” wrote another. The playwright and journalist J. Samuel Cook tweeted, I feel sorry for all the #LGBT Americans whose victory last night in New York is overshadowed by @maddow’s and @ltdanchoi’s hatred of Obama.”

…… Maddow is not the first person to publicly criticize the president and endure the wrath of his defenders. Indeed, as our own Glenn Greenwald sees it: (Obama is evil …. bla bla bla …. Obama is a monster …. bla bla bla ….  Obama forces me to live in luxury in Brazil! …. bla bla bla  …. OMG! I hate Obama! Like SOOOOOOO much!)

Maddow may have been a too strong in her initial comments, but clearly she touched a fragile, irrational nerve in the body of Obama’s diehard supporters.

Full article here

Thanks Tulips

So, supporters of the President are fans; supporters of his opponents are, well, supporters?


Interesting – if you’re lucky you’ll forget my past rants about GOPolitico’s ‘Click’ page, one of the most vile, scummy corners of cyberspace you’ll ever come across. I emailed them a few times asking why they allow endless racist comments appear under stories about the Obamas, but I never got a reply.

Guess who was a staff writer for Click until a couple of months ago? Yep, Natasha Lennard. (See here)


Some of Natasha’s work in recent times:

Matt Damon disappointed in Obama – By Natasha Lennard (Politico) …. Luke Scott: Obama Wasn’t Born Here – By Natasha Lennard (Politico) ….. Obama apparently unaware what year it is – By Natasha Lennard (Salon) …. Obama mistimes his toast to the Queen – By Natasha Lennard (Salon) ….. Does Obama’s trip to the border actually matter? (The president is calling for immigration reform — but there’s reason to treat it as an empty gesture ) – By Natasha Lennard (Salon) …. Does “Dinner with Barack and Joe” break the rules? – By Natasha Lennard (Salon) …. and on and on and on

Crikey, it’s hard to tell her Salon work from her Click efforts.

Ah yes, such impartial reporting.


93 Responses to “ah bless, maddow defended by ‘fragile, irrational’ fact-ignoring cheerleader”

  1. 1 theo67
    June 29, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Lying about someone isn’t the same as criticizing someone. I thought these “editors” were supposed to be experts at the English language?

  2. 2 Tulips
    June 29, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    They can lable all they want , but we are a fierce force and they now know we will push back.

  3. 4 Doris
    June 29, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    We react to out right lying. No fragil nerve involved.

  4. 5 cuphalffull
    June 29, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    “fragile, irrational nerve”… well, all I can say is these people have mindblindness. They cannot properly assess the reactions people are having to their behavior. Then they continue to double down on the insult as if supporting this President is the problem instead of not being able to think outside of their own bubble. One thing I have been learning through all of this is that they are the same narcissistic forces whether it is coming from the left or the right and it has the same stultifying effect if one does not stand up to them.

    Overall I have seen a groundswell of people who are tired of letting others speak for them and who are asserting what they truly feel about supporting this President. I think it has surprised those who have stopped considering whether they should assume so much about how the majority feel on both sides of the fence.

  5. June 29, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    When they can criticize using facts, reality and political reality, I will listen. Right now its just personal grievances, flat out lies and smears.

    • 7 Tulips
      June 29, 2011 at 2:51 pm

      Don’t forget the big picture, we pushed back and gave them something to think about. Avarosis tried this morning to calling ABl the Angry lady Brigade. so we did something and connected in a way for us to do more. congrats

      • 8 Doris
        June 29, 2011 at 2:53 pm

        Now let’s watch those ratings go down. She’ll see how angry and pissed off we can get.

  6. 9 Fred
    June 29, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    we just called Maddow the lying LIAR that she is that’s all

  7. 14 PoliticalJunkessa
    June 29, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    *pops popcorn*

    Predictable response: 1). Tell a bold lie, hoping for a response. 2). When response comes, cry victim. 3). Make your victimhood — and not the original lie — the story.

    Righties have been doing it for years. These types get off on it. (That’s why I don’t feed into it at all.)

    • 15 lisalovesobama
      June 29, 2011 at 3:28 pm

      Can you please send this comment to salon and Princess Pissant? Please let them know we are on to them 🙄

      • 16 PoliticalJunkessa
        June 29, 2011 at 4:16 pm

        Y’all can send it if you want to — I don’t deal with these folks…. (I’m still resisting getting on Twitter, lol)…. an occasional dust-up on gos is about all I have patience for, and those are very few and far between….

    • June 29, 2011 at 3:55 pm

      Yep you nailed it PJ.

    • 18 gn
      June 30, 2011 at 12:37 am

      100% co-signed. These PLs have adopted many tactics and strategies of the right wing, and this passive aggressive perpetual victimhood is one such tactic.

  8. 19 LYNND
    June 29, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    Heh, If they think they are catching hell now, it’s nothing that will compare to the hell that they will face now on, we are just getting started! These lies will not stand.

    • 20 Tulips
      June 29, 2011 at 2:53 pm

      Exactly Lynnd, chipstick and other should sugges hashtags to fight on a daily bases. with every on leaving a tweeet using that hashtag we could get on the trending topics

  9. June 29, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Spoken like the true base of President Barack Obama. We are mad and we are not taking no mess anymore.

    And on that note, anyone notice the blaring headlines following PBO’s press conference: This time, it seems some in the media got the message. The headlines tell the story: For a little sampling:

    From the NYT
    “Obama Scolds G.O.P. Leaders for Not Acting Sooner on Debt”

    “President says Republicans hold indefensible position in debt talks”

    “Obama Demands House GOP Act On Jobs, Taxes”

    “Obama To GOP: End Tax Breaks For Millionaires, Oil Companies”(VIDEO)

    The headlines to these GOPers is that the jig is up. No more games.

    • 24 PoliticalJunkessa
      June 29, 2011 at 3:01 pm

      Love it. The smackdown cometh. PBO should hold a press conference every week rethugs leave on vacation/”go back to their districts” — that’ll learn ’em 😀 .

    • 26 Nellcote
      June 29, 2011 at 3:19 pm

      Will the PL stfu now that the Prez has used the “bully pulpit”?

      • 27 Gc
        June 29, 2011 at 3:26 pm

        Answer: no. I just followed TIMT’s email link to his DK diary. The list of recced diaries was the most egregious I’ve ever seen. I’m sorry, TIMT,but I had to leave.

        The good news is that when DK melts down that hideously, the refugees look for pragmatic blogs. Also I didn’t check time stamps, but if they are beyond the pale, maybe they learned of the Twitstorm to their heroine Rachel.

    • 28 theo67
      June 29, 2011 at 3:28 pm

      This is excellent – Twitter really is effective and immediately satisfying. We should have learned with the Arab Spring that if they could fuel a revolution on Twitter, we can kick some GOP (and PL) butt using Twitter, too. This is effective, and we don’t have to fly to Washington and march in the streets to do it!

  10. 29 gc
    June 29, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    I am proud…of us 🙂 Thank you.

  11. June 29, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    That little donor dial on ofa is going through the roof, right after the press conference.

    I guess people liked what they heard!

  12. 36 isonprize
    June 29, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    Chica, How do I send something directly to you? There is great news about the Health Care Reform act and pre-existing conditions. It will be even better in 2014, which is yet another reason we MUST get President Obama re-elected.

    I know we talk about “advertising” the great things this administration has done. But while other folks are flapping their gums and looking for symbolic gestures, this administration is doing the work.

  13. 40 Debz
    June 29, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    How laughable these idiots who call themselves “the Base” are attacking the people who are actually the base of the Prez and the dem party. I don’t care how “passionate” rachel feels about any thing, She is a national media personality on a national cable show and should grow up and act like a journalist. And to have others defend her against PBO supporters is ridiculous.

    • 41 theo67
      June 29, 2011 at 3:34 pm

      Indeed – where are her facts? She’s losing all credibility by stubbornly refusing to acknowledge that she got this wrong. She’s been presented with facts showing she lied (and it was just so unnecessary), and she’s relying on emotion to defend herself. Not good for her credibility at all.

  14. 42 HZ
    June 29, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Concur with you meta. I watched every minute of it, and President Obama was GREAT. We have to continue to do the work that we need to do to get this President re-elected. David Plouffe had a nice serious smile on his face. Did you see that as he and Jay were standing next to each other. I think the President came out and looked them straight in the eye and let them him it. He was clear, focus, and determine to not allow them to take the room from him. I love my President.

    • 43 Doris
      June 29, 2011 at 4:04 pm

      Hi HZ, agree with you 100%. BTW, did you figure out how to copy/paste. Hopefully, my attempted instructions helped, but if not feel free to ask others here to help us out. 😀

  15. 44 Tulips
    June 29, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    #congressdoyour job leave a tweet with that hashtag maybe we can get on trending topics. #congressdoyourjob, repeal bush tax cuts

  16. 45 lisalovesobama
    June 29, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    If little Ms. Muffet thinks that the blast she got was bad, wait till it gets better!
    💡 !!!!!! I don’t know anything about twitter but isn’t the idea to have some sort of lead topic that everyone follows so it we had
    hashtag:’ news flash: rachel maddow, liar, liar pants on fire’ or ‘rachel maddow the big lie’ or something attention grabbing and catchy, wouldn’t alot of people follow? Another thing is, would we be able to have that hashtag? Does anyone know about this stuff? I figure since they brought our their supposed “Big Gun” we all should bring out our own. Isn’t the point of twitter to have alot of people following what you are saying? The more people who follow that hashtag, the more notice the media takes of it, the more people know that there are people who are supporters of the president and that his real base are still strong and still with him. Tell me what you think.

  17. June 29, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    I had just started reading this article and frankly was very put off by the use of fans.. what happened to being American citizens who voted for and support our duly elected President?? This kind of bs has been ongoing since McCain made his ignorant ad about ‘Obama being a rock star’.

    I SUPPORT this PRESIDENT. MADDOW has/had FANS. She does not equate in ANY WAY to the President of the U.S… but thanks Salon for your concern.

    • 47 PoliticalJunkessa
      June 29, 2011 at 3:57 pm

      Amen! See, this is part of these bit players problem: this false equivalency. I remember Michael Steele doing the Obama:Democrats as Steele:Republicans thing — i.e., that he was president of the republicans. I ROARED with laughter, you hear me?

      I tell ya, part of PBO’s brilliance is that he makes it look too easy. Drives folks to meltdowns.

      Who is this Natasha Lennard twit? Sounds like a rebuffed PUMA/firebagger to me. They must be miserable inside to come up with this dreck day after day after day.

    • June 29, 2011 at 5:38 pm


      I remember you from DK so good to run into folks I support President Obama and will bust my butt to get him re-elected.. Time to get busy. push back often and hard. they thought they had us beat. The game is chess not checkers.

      and by the way Rachel might want to consider how many fans she lost with her BS

    • 51 gn
      June 30, 2011 at 12:44 am

      There’s nonstop disrespect towards this President while these untalented media attention-seekers presume themselves not merely his intellectual and career equal, but his superiors. It’s joke, and would never fly if the netroots weren’t so non-diverse. Thank God for the pragmatic blogs.

  18. June 29, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Oh and one more thing Salon: I am no ‘die hard supporter’. I support FACTS and TRUTH.. something Rachel Maddow has decided she no longer needs to be in contact with… and as for your own Glen Greenwald- he is disgusting… I do believe that he compared one Obama SUPPORTER’s website to being a Natzi propogandist. He- Greenwald is ill.


    • June 29, 2011 at 4:20 pm

      I should add here as to the terminology of ‘die hard supporter’- and my disgust with the usage of it: It is meant to project an inferiority onto we who support President Obama as the sort of folk who support without knowledge, without fact and without common sense. And I say BullEffingS to that malarky. I support this President with FULL awareness of his stance on the issues, with full knowledge of what he and his administration have accomplished including ALL of the many challenges and roadblocks set up to deter him and WE the American people.

      So seriously EFF off Natasha of Salon, your writing is fiction.

    • 55 Charmed
      June 29, 2011 at 4:34 pm

      Greenwald, didn’t he have a melt down when BWD put up her own website…..I’m glad she did because that’s the only reason I went to that other site. I’ve found so many great sites because of her…here, ABW. pm carpenter, what is working, etc….. 🙂

    • June 29, 2011 at 5:20 pm

      That Greenwald guy is another sick bastard. I don’t like to call names and things like that, but I’m sick of these people.

  19. 58 DD
    June 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Actions speak louder than words. This president has done so much than any other president for LGBT but he’s getting backlash because he didn’t come out personally and said he support same sex marriages.

    The expectation is so high for this ONE president but none for any other Presidents that were in office including Congress or the States. What if he did come out and said that he support same sex marriage would this have made a different? They’ve would’ve found something else’s to complain about even though deep in their own selfish and narrow minded hearts they know he always supported them. This is the only president that “really” cared but they’re really burning that bridge that they most likely have to cross again.

    I’m a huge fan of Maddow but after that remark, I haven’t watch of lately but I guess her common sense hasnt kicked in yet that her fan bases is mostly Obama supporters.

    • 59 Doreen Garrett
      June 29, 2011 at 4:55 pm

      I haven’t watched her in quite awhile. She was getting on my nerves with all the continuous hammering on whatever her issue of the week was. I can understand passion, but once you state your case or opinion once or twice, I don’t really need to keep hearing the same thing for a whole week or more.

    • 60 Nellcote
      June 29, 2011 at 5:06 pm

      It’s worse than that. The Prez has said he supports legal equality for all. BUT he doesn’t use the specific words “Marrage Equality”. The PL is pissing and moaning over 2 WORDS!

  20. 61 Tally
    June 29, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Warning: Princess Potty Mouth Alert (who, it turns out, is mostly just raising her voice today…..):

    There is such a disconnect/confusion/insanity in this country regarding MARRIAGE, when it’s really very simple.

    Legal marriage in the USA *IS* a CIVIL UNION. Meaning, it is a LEGAL CONTRACT between two people. You can have a “wedding” in a church, or as many weddings as you like in churches, however, there isn’t a church in the country that can LEGALLY MARRY ANYONE. Because religious weddings alone are ritualistic ceremonies for show only (and between you and whatever GOD(S) you worship.) However, the STATE GOVERNMENT (the only place where LEGAL marriages are recognized – which is WHY Obama has repeatedly said this is at the STATE LEVEL – because he knows the frakkin LAW and the US CONSTITUTION) does not recognize that aspect as being LEGAL in any way shape or form.

    Go ahead: have a just a church wedding (if you can do it without them making you bring the license), then try to legally divorce someone and take whatever percentage of your partner’s estate that your state of residency states you can have. Oh, wait – you can’t – because YOU AREN’T LEGALLY MARRIED.

    In order to make a marriage LEGAL, you must apply for a MARRIAGE LICENSE – usually at the County Clerk’s office – pay your STATE FEE, sign it in the presence of the clerk, get it stamped, then sign it again in the presence of someone who is LEGALLY APPOINTED BY THE STATE TO MARRY PEOPLE IN THAT STATE, who then also signs, and dates the document, THEN SEND IT IN TO YOUR STATE CAPITAL so they can file it and declare it LEGAL within a certain time frame (90 days in California), and issue you a STATE-ISSUED “CERTIFICATE OF MARRIAGE.” Then, and ONLY THEN, IS IT LEGAL.


    I mean, dictionaries are our FRIENDS:

    CIVIL : of, relating to, or involving the general public, their activities, needs, or ways, or civic affairs as distinguished from special (as military or religious) affairs.

    Now, if a state decides that they want to make people in a CIVIL UNION have different rights than people in MARRIAGES – then that is just absolutely beyond super-sized Neanderthal stupidity, unconstitutional, and can be fought, and proven that MARRIAGE IS A CIVIL FUCKING UNION (omg – that’s actually funny), and whomever decides they want to go down that road needs to be given a dictionary and removed from office.

    But for the sake of all the gods everywhere, please STOP CONFUSING MARRIAGE WITH SOMETHING IT’S NOT. It IS a CIVIL UNION. Nothing MORE, and nothing LESS.


    If a church chooses to not marry any two people – SO FUCKING WHAT??? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! Going down to your county clerk’s office and applying for a CIVIL marriage license, has ZERO to do with any CHURCH.

    NEWS FLASH: NO ONE NEEDS A CHURCH TO GET MARRIED. How is this the best kept secret in America?

    Yet, if you WANT to go have a church wedding, then knock yourself out. Want to belong to a “restricted” church who doesn’t allow gay-weddings? FINE. Go have fun in Bigotland™. No one is stopping you and your hatefest.

    So maybe, just MAYBE, Rachel, Lt Dan, et al, need to get off the OBAMA HATE WAGON, and reframe the argument for the DictionaryPhobics, and English WORD definition challenged….

    Princess Potty Mouth has spoken.

    • 62 PoliticalJunkessa
      June 29, 2011 at 4:12 pm


      The only pundit I’ll sometimes watch is Lawrence O’Donnell. The other night he had a (very attractive) sub on and Rev. Al was on the panel as well against the head of the “National Organization for Marriage” or something like that. The first issue the host raised was, if the NOM primary focus was on protecting marriage, why hadn’t they targeted the large divorce rate. *crickets*

      The NOM guy kept talking about all these religious connotations for marriage, but Al (after all, he is a Reverend) stopped him cold when he asked him if he would concede that gays should be able to take part in civil unions. The guy said No — that is marriage by another name and we won’t allow that. Al went in, needless to say.

      I think the reason it’s the biggest kept secret in America is that it would force ignorant Americans to face the truth — without THE STATE, they wouldn’t have what they keep calling a marriage.

    • June 29, 2011 at 4:13 pm

      I bow to you Princess and your potty mouth… WELL and Truly stated. Perfectly fucking clear IMO~

    • June 29, 2011 at 5:05 pm

      Professor Potty Mouth. I haz learned, took notes, my brain cells have digested: MARRIAGE IS A CIVIL FUCKING UNION (that *is* kinda super duper self-evident!)

      student maddow needs detention!

      • June 29, 2011 at 6:19 pm

        Looking at this more closely, Tally just broke this whole thing down like a fraction. My gut tells me Rachel’s (and others criticizing POTUS) making the same mistake about executive authority as Cheney, but in a different way. Or it could be the same since both of them are drawing outside the lines.

        What makes a president powerful? I think it’s by staying within the bounds of constitutional executive authority.

        George Washington and Executive Power from the Center for Civic Education:

        In assessing Washington’s career, Thomas Jefferson emphasized the importance of the rule of law when he wrote that Washington had earned “everlasting remembrance” by “obeying the laws through the whole of his career, civil and military, of which the history of the world furnishes no other example.” As commander-in-chief of the continental Army, Washington never lost sight of the fact that his authority came from Congress, and that the purpose of the army was to carry out the will of the civil government. Even when Congress voted Washington broad-reaching emergency powers late in 1776, he was careful not to exceed the bounds of his legal authority.

        Washington was in constant communication with the Continental Congress during the American Revolution, and his example and leadership as president remains the standard measure of executive power. Most important, Washington “established that the power of the president was vested in the office, not in the individual who held the office”.

    • 68 Charmed
      June 29, 2011 at 5:11 pm

      Bravo……..can you send this to Rachel, she’s needs this badly.

      • 69 Tally
        June 29, 2011 at 8:03 pm

        omg. I just did. AND I added the “a few words from Tally” rant as well.

        maybe they DO actually read their mail.

  21. June 29, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    “[Maddow] touched a fragile, irrational nerve in the body of Obama’s diehard supporters”

    nope. Maddow is t.o.n.e.d.e.a.f.

  22. 72 Doris
    June 29, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Priorities USA launches ads attacking Republicans on Medicare

    Priorities USA, a Democratic-aligned super PAC run by two former senior aides in the Obama Administration, is launching television ads in five swing states attacking Republicans for their vote to overhaul Medicare.

    The ads, which will run in Iowa, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida and Colorado for the next two weeks, are designed as a response to commercials put on the air in 10 states late last week by Crossroads GPS, a conservative-minded organization, that attacked President Obama’s handling of the economy.


  23. 73 africa
    June 29, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Tweet it, e-mail it, facebook it: Tell Repbulcians to do their job.

  24. 74 ber6964
    June 29, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Ra-Churlish (Rachel) is not doing much for her cause. We are not angry, We are strong. Lets see what happens when she loses her viewers. People of all stripes made her and we can unmake her by not watching her show!!

  25. June 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    We are dam tired of this President being kicked around, and Maddow ain’t the only one who will hear from us. If the press don’t think we are ready to fight to re-elect this President, wait and see. I believe he is trying to do the right thing, for the people and this country. It seems he is the only one.

  26. 76 desertflower
    June 29, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201106270010?utm_source=twitterfeed Chips, can you please consider adding this to the blogroll here? Look at how many jobs the GOP wanted to eliminate this year!! Stunning.

    • June 29, 2011 at 4:42 pm

      The Republicans are sabotaging this economy. I believe that with all my heart. I believe it, I believe it, I believe it. Wake up America and see what they are doing.

      • 78 Tally
        June 29, 2011 at 4:51 pm

        Of COURSE they are! Anyone with a functioning brainstem who isn’t part of their cult, can see it.

    • June 29, 2011 at 5:33 pm

      Done desertflower! I should have added it before, completely forgot – thank you SO much.

      • 80 desertflower
        June 29, 2011 at 6:09 pm

        Big hugs/many thanks:) I think that this site is a bit easier to navigate than Media Matters and has all the lies and distortions laid out! Thanks, Chip:)

  27. June 29, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Most people from the LBGT community knows they have a friend in this President, it’s just the loud mouth ones who get the attention, like Maddow, that mental case Choi.

    • 83 andogriff
      June 29, 2011 at 6:53 pm

      Doris, thanks for the link, as I missed it! Love it that Rachel is getting some well-deserved feedback too… and love being here with all of you like-minded, wonderful folks! Thanks Ms. Chips, for all you do.

  28. June 29, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Tally, I have an example for you regarding marriages. My brother and sister-in-law ( ex-Catholic religious orders)decided to have a wedding in her back yard. They invited a priest friend who was in African attire to officiate at the wedding with all their ex- Religious Order, priests, nuns etc) present. What they didn’t do was get a license for the wedding. 😆 😆 Time passed and something came up and they were shocked to learn that they weren’t really married. It was so funny. So yes, what you say is correct.

  29. 86 bjw2
    June 29, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    SB 5 Opponents Deliver 1.3M Repeal Signatures

    COLUMBUS, Ohio — Thousands of opponents of Ohio’s new collective bargaining law have paraded through the streets of Columbus to deliver nearly 1.3 million signatures aimed at getting a repeal question on November’s ballot.

    The We Are Ohio campaign delivered the petitions to the secretary of state Wednesday. They say they have more than twice the number of signatures required to be validated in each of Ohio’s 88 counties.

    Gov. John Kasich signed the law in March. It bans public employees from striking and restricts collective bargaining rights for more than 350,000 teachers, police officers, state employees and other public workers.

    Kasich continued to stand up for the law at an education-related news conference held shortly after the parade


    The most satisfying part is that we only needed 230,000 signature, but he got us ticked off so we decided to SPIKE the ball. We also were registering people to vote so I haven’t heard those totals as of yet.

  30. 88 m
    June 29, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    i’m wondering how many individuals will “unlike” maddow on facebook as a reaction to recent events? hopefully MANY!

  31. 89 Claire
    June 29, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Rachel is wrong because she said that the President was against what just happened in NY. That is a lie, he is for the process. He says he is personally against gay marriage. He is not against legislation in support of gay marriage. Some people support a woman’s right to choose, however they may personally be against abortion. Same thing.

    • June 29, 2011 at 5:42 pm

      + 1,000,000,000

      And the fact that he’s ordered the administration to stop defending DOMA in the courts says it all – whatever about his private views, he’s prepared to battle for and defend gay rights.

    • 91 AnitaW
      June 29, 2011 at 5:53 pm

      Very good point Claire. You should send this as a tweet (abbreviated of course) to @Maddow. That’s the problem with folks like her is that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

    • 92 Nellcote
      June 29, 2011 at 6:47 pm

      “I believe that gay couples deserve the same legal rights as every other couple in this country”. The Prez said that just last Thurs night. How can you interpret that to say the Prez is “personally against gay marriage”? The PL is down to arguing about 2 WORDS that the Prez won’t say. It’s like bullies that sit on your chest and won’t let you up until you say “Uncle!”

  32. 93 majii
    June 29, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    What always ticks me off about the PL is their ability to say/do stupid things and tell lies, and think that they should receive no push back. Sorry, PLers, those days are so ovah! That Rachel doesn’t like the response she got about the lie she told is a very clear example for her that she doesn’t represent the base in the Democratic Party. Can you hear us now, PLers?

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