“give me a call” …. why?

PoliticalWire: ABC News got interesting video of former President Clinton speaking to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) backstage at a forum on the national debt.

Clinton praised the Democratic victory in NY-26 yesterday but added, “I hope Democrats don’t use this as an excuse to do nothing.”

Ryan responds: “My guess is it’s going to sink into paralysis is what’s going to happen. And you know the math. It’s just, I mean, we knew we were putting ourselves out there. You gotta start this. You gotta get out there. You gotta get this thing moving.”

They parted with Clinton telling Ryan that if he ever wanted to talk about it, he should “give me a call.”


Thank you Lisa

178 Responses to ““give me a call” …. why?”

  1. 1 CTGirl
    May 25, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    I saw this on Rachel Maddow and just had to shake my head. What a joke!

  2. 2 M
    May 25, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    What? What do others gather from this exchange? I’m not sure what to think about this!

    • May 25, 2011 at 10:18 pm

      I’m confused too M, I really want to believe it was an ‘innocent’ exchange, but I just don’t know. I think Hillary’s ‘got over it’, I’m just not sure about Bill.

      • 4 M
        May 25, 2011 at 10:26 pm

        Hmmmm…just seems bizarre. Wonder if we’ll hear anything more of this? CTGirl, What did Maddow say about it?

        • 5 lisalovesobama
          May 25, 2011 at 10:41 pm

          she was talking to Rep. Israel, the guy incharge of messaging for Dems to get back the House. He was involved in the Hochul victory. He told Rachel that Dems have a united message to win back the House. Rachel replied: Steny Hoyer says everything is on the table for budget cuts and Bill Clinton encouraged Ryan to hold the line”- referring to the above video She was inferring mixed messages. I’m also confused by Bill. Why would he do that? Saw a poll on the Ed Show now temporarily hosted by sexy Thomas Roberts, in which 58% of those polled said they’d blame PBO if there were cuts to medicare and 53% said they wouldn’t vote for him if he raised the age on it. The way I see it is that Bill just legitimized Psycho Ryan. Can you imagine the ads being run with Bill cozying up with Ryan. Ryan’s ads could say ” Even former President Clinton endorsed this bill.” Bill, Bill, Bill, when Hillary’s away, you always manage to find yourself into some sort of trouble. You obviously need to be on lockdown.
          ps- some time ago I heard someone- a pundit or author or reporter said that Clinton was pissed at PBO because PBO didn’t do something, like ask for advice or ask for something from Bill. I can’t remember exactly what it was, but the person outright stated that Clinton was insulted and took whatever trumped up slight to heart. I remember thinking how odd that was since it seemed to me PBO was engaging Bill. Hm.

          • 6 EDP4BHO
            May 25, 2011 at 10:56 pm

            Perhaps he still thinks PBO should be serving him water?

          • 8 M
            May 25, 2011 at 11:10 pm

            Thanks Lisa for the play-by-play!

            • 9 lisalovesobama
              May 25, 2011 at 11:15 pm


              • 10 Asher in Boston
                May 25, 2011 at 11:22 pm

                This is just bizzare.

                • 11 fig8jam
                  May 26, 2011 at 10:24 am

                  It truly is. From the way it was taped, it appears Bill wants to have a private word with Ryan and so turns his back to camera to tell him ‘hope the Dems don’t use this as excuse to do nothing’ then re-positions himself to continue talking.


                  This seems like senility. You know how old men THINK they out of earshot and are whispering and can’t be heard, but everyone withing 2 feet can hear them? That’s what it looks like with WJC.

                  Surely, he is not cozying up to the GOP…

                  hhhhhmmmmmm .or should we think he is a wily old fox still and wants the GOP to create a stalemate…so they will continue to lose about the medicare isssue?

                  After all, this is at the victory for the NY district, no? Was WJC just trying to throw fuel on the gasoline drawers wearing GOP?

                  So FOX or senility?

                  • 12 auntydee
                    May 27, 2011 at 11:07 am

                    Hello Fig8Jam, It’s the Jolly Green Giant,(jealousy) Clinton may have not gotten over the fact his wife lost to Obama,thereby losing the chance to ride Air Force One again.
                    To me, it appears Clinton is willing to give aid and comfort to the enemy to undermine our Pres..B.Clinton appears to be two-faced.

          • 13 anniebella
            May 26, 2011 at 12:09 am

            58% would blame President Obama if there is any cuts to Medicare. Who were these people? And were they crazy? Something must be wrong with them.

            • 14 Puddin'
              May 26, 2011 at 12:20 am

              Sad but true…Americans have been dumbed down over the past recent years, which makes it easy to be taken taken for granted and taken advantage of. These people who asked, “who were these people…” are the people who can’t think for themselves…since the Reagan days, critical thinking skills seem to be a “thing” of the past. SAD!

      • 16 Chi
        May 26, 2011 at 4:00 am

        Chip, you know my opinion on this…

        I know that Hillary is not over this and neither is Bill…

        I’ll say it again, the Clintons have been actively working to undermine and sabotage President Obama ever since he got into office…

        It has been curious to watch all the Clinton cronies publicly attack and demean President Obama with nary a peep from the Clintons who could have easily called their friends and asked them to back off…

        It has been even more curious and bizarre that most of the Clinton people have gone to work with right wing outfits and for republican candidates…

        Look up “No Labels” …


        This a fake astroturf group of former Bush and Cinton associates masquersding as a bi-partisan group to “solve the country’s problems in a bi-partisan manner” –

        Yeah right…

        It is more like a group bound together by their hate of President Obama and determined to undermine, sabotage, destroy, defeat and replace our magnificent President…

        They have usurped the “Progressive” label and are backing and pushing for Republican presidential candidates…

        Their it boy of the moment is Jon Huntsman and they’ve been selling him through various so-called “Progressive/liberals” as “moderate and “to the left of President Obama on “some” issues even though there’s of course absolutely nothing to support any of the crap they’re cunningly churning out…

        Members include Lynn Forester de Rothschild (Hillary Clinton’s buddy and senior PUMA), Kiki McLean (Hillary Clinton moocher and senior PUMA), Mark McKinnon (John McCain Campaign and now working for Jon Huntsman; Hates President Obama like the PUMA’s but cons his way into Democratic circles as the “moderate” guy), David Frum (Bush speech writer famous for proudly claiming to have coined the phrase axis of evil. Interfering Canadian who also hates President Obama but has managed to con his way into so-called Progressive circles as a “moderate” guy.)


        “Although No Labels bills itself as a citizens’ movement, its leaders are veterans of campaign politics.”[3] No Labels was founded by Nancy Jacobson, a veteran Democratic fundraiser[4]. The movement is run by Jacobson and Republican strategist Mark McKinnon.[5][6].

        The inaugural meeting of No Labels was held at a home in Houston, Texas[2].

        Founding leaders
        In addition to Jacobson and McKinnon, the founding leaders include.[7]
        Leader Occupation
        John Avlon
        CNN Contributor; Senior Political Columnist for The Daily Beast; Speechwriter for Rudy Giuliani for President; Author of two books

        Lisa Borders
        President of the Grady Health Foundation; former President of the Atlanta City Council; former Co-Chair of the Transition Team for Atlanta Mayor M. Kasim Reed

        Andrei Cherny
        Founder & President of Democracy: A Journal of Ideas; former Arizona Assistant Attorney General; former Speechwriter to President Bill Clinton; former Senior Aide to John Kerry for President; currently chairman of the Arizona Democratic Party

        Jon Cowan
        President & Co-Founder of Third Way; former Chief of Staff of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development; former President & Co-Founder of Americans for Gun Safety

        Dave Frum
        former Speechwriter for President George W. Bush who coined the phrase “Axis of Evil”; Senior Advisor to Rudy Giuliani for President; Author of six books, including An End to Evil with Richard Perle

        Bill Galston
        Senior Fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution; Professor of Civic Engagement & Director of the Institute for Philosophy and Public Policy at the University of Maryland; former Deputy Assistant to President Bill Clinton for Domestic Policy; Student of philosopher Leo Strauss; Author of eight books

        Nate Garvis President of Naked Civics, LLC; former Vice President of Government Affairs at Target[8]

        Dan Gerstein President of Gotham Ghostwriters; Political Commentator on Fox News and MSNBC; former Communications Director to Senator Joe Lieberman; former Senior Aide to Joe Lieberman for President

        Nancy Jacobson
        Co-Founder, Third Way; former Senior Advisor to President Bill Clinton; former Senior Advisor to Hillary Clinton for President; former Finance Director to Senator Evan Bayh; former Senior Advisor and National Finance Director of the Democratic Leadership Council; Executive Chairwoman & Founder of NEXT Generation

        Mark McKinnon
        former Advisor to President George W. Bush; former advisor to Governor Sarah Palin; former Advisor to Senator John McCain; former Advisor to Governor Ann Richards; former Advisor to Congressman Charlie Wilson;

        Kiki McLean Partner & Managing Director at Porter Novelli; former Senior Advisor to Hillary Clinton for President, former National Press Secretary to Al Gore for President; former Communications Director of the Democratic National Committee

        Jonathan Miller
        Secretary for the Kentucky Finance and Administration Cabinet; former State Treasurer of Kentucky; former Deputy Chief of Staff of the U.S. Department of Energy; Author of The Compassionate Community

        Dave Morin CEO & Co-Founder of Path; Co-Inventor of the Facebook Platform

        Holly Page former Executive Vice President of the Democratic Leadership Council

        Andrew Tisch
        Co-Chairman of Loews Corporation; former President of Lorillard Tobacco Company; former President of Bulova

        John Veroneau Lobbyist;[9][10] former Deputy U.S. Trade Representative under President George W. Bush; former Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Bill Clinton

        David Walker
        former Comptroller General of the United States

        • 17 Titti
          May 26, 2011 at 6:35 am

          An ‘evil’ cabal of sorts but any ‘instrument’ fashioned against this Prez will not succeed. It is really scary the number of people that are against this man (or his policies) for one reason or the other.

        • May 26, 2011 at 9:35 am

          What proof do you have Hillary is not over this? Not guilt by association but actual proof.

          • 20 Chi
            May 26, 2011 at 1:00 pm

            Listen, if I had close friends who claim to love,respect and support me, yet go about publicly attacking the man who I admittedly competed against but who having won, invited me to work with him and has treated me with the utmost respect and dignity, I would do something about it and certainly put a stop to it…

            Good, smart people don’t let friends undermine, sabotage and denigrate their boss who has gone out of his way to accommodate and include them especially when he didn’t have to and knowing that if the tables were turned, the magnanimous gesture might not have been reciprocated…

            There is absolutely no excuse, none whatsoever and yet…

            • May 27, 2011 at 8:28 am

              And if these same friends said they will do as they please then what? Again what actual proof do you have? You keep giving me guilt by association not anything concrete. Where is the actual proof that Hillary has not gotten over it?

        • 22 fig8jam
          May 26, 2011 at 10:30 am

          wow..unbelievable list of snakes in the grass!

          Slithering all over the political landscape.

          trying to hide behind No Labels? HA!

          That’s ok, our POTUS is a mongoose and gonna eat all their asses, if not at breakfast,..then lunch or dinner. Frum should call this group the axis of evil, maybe then he will realize how dumb that phrase was from the get go but at least it will be incisive, at last.

        • 23 LYNND
          May 26, 2011 at 7:27 pm

          No Labels? The local radio station had a represemtive from that group on the air about a month ago. All she did was mouth off the same old tired republican talking points: Gloom, and doom,about the debt,blah, blah blah, our grandchildren, yak,yak,yak, fiscal responsibility.

        • 24 auntydee
          May 27, 2011 at 11:30 am

          You are sooo right!!

    • 25 africa
      May 25, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      It doesn’t sit well with me. What does he mean when he says he hopes Democrats don’t use this as an excuse to do nothing about Medicare? He is fully aware that Republicans would rather gut Medicare than tax the rich. Democrats are not willing to fix the deficit on the backs of Medicare recipients.

      And besides, in the health care bill, there are several provisions included in there to streghthen Medicare, including eliminating fraud and waste.

      Bill knows this, and so it bothers me when he makes such a statement. What exactly does he want Democrats to do?

      • 26 fig8jam
        May 26, 2011 at 10:33 am

        Did you see that nifty chart at TPM? Shows how the majority of the deficit is due to tax cuts and wars GW Bush implemented?

      • 27 LYNND
        May 26, 2011 at 7:33 pm

        @africa: What does he mean when he says he hopes Democrats don’t use this as an excuse to do nothing about Medicare?
        I don’t understand this either. The Democrats have a bill.

  3. 28 africa
    May 25, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Ughhhhhhh. Would Clinton have been telling Ryan to call him if he was president? Wow.

  4. 30 M
    May 25, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I’m guessing this might not go over so well with Hilary….

  5. 31 sherijr
    May 25, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Gee I thought Bill was still a Democrat .. yeah being snarky, but seriously, of all people- Paul Ryan?? Who knows maybe he honestly wants to school Ryan on how foolish his budget is and teach him some sense. After Maureen Dowd’s Clinton Love commentary in Ireland whilst President Obama was visiting.. I’m a wee bit skeptical of Mr. Clinton, and I know thats not fair. And also theres lots of folks who say : ‘call me’.. it could mean anything. I’m always more inclined to wait and get all the facts before jumping to conclusions about something so iffy.

    • May 25, 2011 at 10:21 pm

      Completely agree sherijr, I really don’t know what to make of this, but I desperately want to believe it was ‘innocent’ Although, to be honest, I have a problem with any Dem exchanging pleasantries with the vile creep that is Ryan.

      • 33 sherijr
        May 25, 2011 at 10:27 pm

        Oh I agree with ya there Chips, it would be about like asking Sarah Palin to give him a call- weird. I have some strong opinions about Bill Clinton.. however, I wonder too, exactly what was the point of the video taker? Possibly to start trouble between Democrats? Since we don’t know what else may have been said between these two. Dems have won a huge election.. thus it is not beyond the realm of possibility that folks are out trying to stir up trouble within the dems.

        • 34 Chi
          May 26, 2011 at 4:04 am

          Actually Sheri, Bill Clinton did call Sarah Palin several times but she never returned the calls because she was sure it was yet another prank call…

          And Bill Clinton has publicly and on several occasions praised Sarah Palin…

          • 35 fig8jam
            May 26, 2011 at 10:41 am

            Yee, that is how political winners play the game. Obama is the same way and has told us all to spend time talking and listening to the opposition to understand their POV. It’s the old adage ‘keep your friends close and your enemies closer’

            No one plays it better than Obama, which is why Hillary is SOS and Huntsman was ambassador to China.

            Bill is wily..but Obama is a real master at this …after all he took on the Clinton machine and won, after having Hillary school him on mastering the nuances of the Senate.

            • 36 Chi
              May 26, 2011 at 12:38 pm

              I do understand politics and all it entails…

              But please let’s not pretend that Clinton seeking out Sarah Palin falls into the category of reaching out ‘to the opposition to understand their point of view’…

              Inviting supposed moderates to participate in rebuilding our broken country and seeking out a narcissistic, greedy, exploitative, marginally literate nutcase whose only mission is self-enrichment, are two completely different thinhgs…

              And when a man like Bill Clinton is unwilling to call off his attack dogs who have persisted in their public assault on President Obama, one realizes that this is not an attempt to play ‘wily’ politics…

              • 37 fig8jam
                May 26, 2011 at 1:35 pm

                I am no fan of Palin’s actually wouldn’t be too strong a statement to say I detest her for all the cognitive dissonance she creates when she spews all that food salad verbage that defies comprehension.

                Yet, in still, she remains popular very popular. She had an unbelievable crowd crush around her at the MSNBC correspondents after party following the WH Correspondents dinner….so it is not too difficult for me to understand Bill reaching out to her ‘politically’ after all he loves pretty women and
                he loves being the center of attention.

                So while you and I agree she is a narcissistic, greedy, exploitative marginally literate nutcase..bent on self-enrichment, the only part of that which does apply to WJC is marginally and nutcase.

                I am not convinced that WJC has any attack dogs assaulting POTUS, I do know that is media spin with little or not evidence to support it and a long trail of anonymous un named sources as citations.

                I beg to differ about WJC being wily, he most definitely is that and also Slick Willy, too.

                • 38 Chi
                  May 26, 2011 at 2:08 pm

                  Who does James Carvlle work for…

                  Paul Begala…

                  Kiki McLean…

                  Lynn de Rothschild…

                  James Rubin/Christine Amanpour

                  George Stephanopoulos…

                  Terry Macauliffe…

                  Anthony Weiner (Hillary’s personal assistant’s hubby)..

                  Ed Rendell…

                  Howard Wolfson…

                  Harold Ford…

                  Mark Penn…

                  By the way, Nancy Jacobson coincidentally is married to Mark Penn…

                  Yes the founder of ‘No labels’ Nancy Jacobson is Mark Penn’s wife…

                  Chew on that…

                  • 39 Chi
                    May 26, 2011 at 2:15 pm

                    Forgot dear little Lanny Davis…

                  • 40 fig8jam
                    May 26, 2011 at 2:48 pm


                    That’s a lot of mastication.

                    Chi… having a hard time chewing and talking at the same time but,
                    Gotta agree with you.

                    I have seen every single one of these folks snipe and backbite at PBO!!

                    They will not ever back off though because these are all the folks who were looking forward to being back in power, the shadow WH, that had for 8 years built up alliances and raised money to put HRC in the WH.

                    Thy were the real losers. Hard workers who wound up with nothing so yeah they are bitter as hell. After all, they did all the work and HRC only one with a job!! ctfu

                    Don’t know still if the Clintons are behind it because these folks no longer can cling to power via the Clintons…they lost. Clintons are out of power right along with them.

                    These are the real folks that Obama beat..they were the ones who were part and parcel of the ‘storied’ Clinton machine, and Obama cleaned their clock. Just wiped their sorry, behind the times asses right off the electoral map.

                    If this was bball..Obama just two handed dunked in ALL their faces and ran up the score.

                    Demolished them, and now they are out there in the universe with no place to go, in perpetuity. The Obama’s are in power and having none of their carping asses, they can’t even get an invite to the WH let alone put through on a call, they have NO ACCESS to power.

                    So yeah they are gonna bytch, whine, moan, snivel and sneer all day everyday..they bet on the wrong damn horse!!

                    Curious about Amanapour though, wonder what made her such a Clinton brown noser?

                    It is clear however that Fareed Zakaria is held in much higher esteem by this administration.

                    I did like Christi, but have to admit I like Fareed far more and he is a helluva upgrade when it comes to visual delight.

                    Thanks for the excellent information….still chewing.

                    • 41 Chi
                      May 27, 2011 at 3:58 am

                      “Curious about Amanapour though, wonder what made her such a Clinton brown noser?”

                      She married James Rubin, a Clintonite whose fortunes (like all the rest of the minions) are untidily hitched and tied to Bill and Hillary’s…

    • 42 Naijas
      May 25, 2011 at 11:45 pm


      We should not forget that Bill was the king of triangulation and has been more of blue dog democrat than a progressive one.

      Watching that video exchange was disturbing especially when it is coupled with an earlier article that I read today – Bill Clinton: Brief Debt Default ‘Might Not Be Calamitous’ where the former president seems to be making the Republicans case that not raising the debt ceiling isn’t such a big deal.

      This has always been the problems with Democrats – too many factions and lax message discipline.

      • 43 VC prezOfan2
        May 26, 2011 at 12:45 am

        My charitable second reaction = ‘This has always been the problems with Democrats – too many factions and lax message discipline’.

        MY first stunned reaction = Disloyalty, thy name is Democrats. Grow some loyalty, Bill Clinton! From this excerpt Bill introduced the criticism of the Democrats, not the other way around. Isn’t he a democrat? As a senior dem why couldn’t he express his hope/criticism to them instead of the opposition? You know when the leaders and liberal journalists (ex. Rachel) are continually using pessimistic language about our side can you wonder at the voters’ perceptions. So very often they tout the negative over and over and over – ‘Will the democrats capitalize on this gift? The democratics probably won’t …yada, yada ya. Can someone remind them about the idea of self-fulfilling prophecy? Jeez Louise!!! I don’t trust that man so it’s hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.

        • 44 gn
          May 26, 2011 at 7:32 am

          Grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. It’s insane. And IMO it’s not the entire party meaning that it’s not the base. It’s elected Dems and liberal mouthpieces on tv who just discourage the living heck out of people who are daring to dream of progress in this country. Total anchor around our necks.

      • 45 meta
        May 26, 2011 at 12:57 am

        I just saw that deficit comment and it makes my blood boil. It’s completely idiotic and irresponsible. What was the point of saying that? Wish he would really just GO AWAY.

        • 46 Naijas
          May 26, 2011 at 1:08 am


          You know, just when I was getting to the point of putting all of his elections antics behind me and to just focus on enjoying the leadership and statesman qualities PBO is displaying on the world stage, BC has to have a day like today that reminds me of ALL the reasons he has ticked me off in the recent past. ARRRGHH!!!

          • 47 Chi
            May 26, 2011 at 4:16 am

            And he waits until President Obama is out of the country to do this too…

            Bill Clinton is determined that President Obama is denied a second term…

            He absolutely loves and basks in that whole thing about being the only 2 term Democratic president in 30 years…

            I do believe that President Obama’s very successful trip and rock star reception in Ireland and Great Britain put Clinton over the edge…

            factor in the honors bestowed upon President Obama that have eluded Clinton: The Nobel Prize and now the First Foreign President to address Parliament and very well-recieved one with all former Prime Ministers including an obviously smitten John Majors; A state visit from the Queen of England and 2 night sleep-over at Buckingham Palace and the list goes on…

            He hates to be displaced by a great, brilliant and genuinely decent man authentically connected to every continent in the world…

            It must be eating Bill Clinton up and he’s a man who’s never known how to contain his jealousy and rage especially when he thinks he’s losing his much touted touch, audience and very marketed and whipped up adulation…

        • 49 fig8jam
          May 26, 2011 at 10:43 am

          It was the spider talking to the fly.

  6. 50 Proud of Obama
    May 25, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Sorry not innocent. Clinton has not gotten over PBO accomplishing what he could not and being sio loved. I do not trust him and he needs to sit down and be quiet.

    • 51 Charmed
      May 26, 2011 at 8:09 am

      I don’t think it was “innoncent” either…it’s was staged and the camera angle was just to perfect for it not to be a set up….I obviously don’t trust Bill Clinton.

  7. 52 StR
    May 25, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Clinton being a jackass. I mean the goP and MSM keep pushing the idea that Ryan is somehow courageous and that he’s the only one who doesn’t notice the problem with the funding for medicare like he is some oracle.

    • 53 gn
      May 26, 2011 at 7:34 am

      Doesn’t his plan eventually add to the deficit? How is it courageous to undermine a recovery by cutting taxes for the rich and taking that money from the elderly?

      • 54 lisalovesobama
        May 26, 2011 at 8:56 am

        yep. It adds more to the deficit than if we just left medicare as it is without any of his privatization.

  8. 55 lochelle
    May 25, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I don’t like this “exchange” at all. Why is Clinton discussing what the Dems should be doing with Paul Ryan, of all people? Why is Paul Ryan acting like some sort of savior considering his slash and burn budget was just voted down? I wonder what PR’s fellow republicans will think of this little exchange – outside PBO, they just love to trash Clinton.

    • 56 fig8jam
      May 26, 2011 at 10:47 am


      Could Clinton perhaps be waving a red flag at a bull…does he not know how this will set Ryan up for another round of blustering stupidity with the public?

      Clinton knows weepy face Boehner is dumb enough to put this up for another vote…just so the GOP makes good on their campaign promises, asd they idiot enough to think they can say we tried, but the Dems wouldn’t do anything.

      Now given that scenario, who do you think the public is gonna vote for?

  9. 57 kelly
    May 25, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Oh ffs…..this looks shady to me. Clinton remains not to be trusted imo.

  10. 58 anniebella
    May 25, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    This doesn’t look to good fo Bill Clinton. I want to hear what he has to say. The Republicans played dirty bill when the healthcare debate was going on. They lied, cheat, and stole, they did anything to misrepresent the healthcare reform. Now Ryan is crying about his plan to destroy Medicare, well cry all you want Paul Ryan, talking to Clinton won’t save you.

  11. 59 donna dem 4 obama
    May 25, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    So which side is Clinton on?

  12. 62 Street_Smart
    May 25, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    If you read John Heilemann and Mark Halperin’s book Game Change, you will see that Bill never got over it. The way he reacted after PBO’s victory in Iowa was just disgusting… This is what, among other stuff, he was saying about then Senator Obama: “This is bullshit. The guy’s a phony. He has no experience, he has no record; he’s not nearly ready to be commander in chief.” To which Hillary replied:”He’s a United States Senator, that’s nothing to laugh at” So, Hillary MIGHT be over but not Bill….PBO and the campaign people and all of us as a matter of fact have to stay vigilant…

    • 63 Doris
      May 25, 2011 at 10:51 pm

      Well, he’s been outed and I’m glad. He’s going to have to explain this one. Hillary is going to slap his face.

      • 64 donna dem 4 obama
        May 25, 2011 at 10:58 pm

        Oh please get that slap on tape 🙂

      • 66 EDP4BHO
        May 25, 2011 at 11:05 pm

        Hehe…just like Jesse Jackson was outed. Do these folks know what a camera and a mike look like?

        • 67 Doris
          May 25, 2011 at 11:08 pm

          He’s over there with the Tea Party or something. Paul Ryan did not need to hear that bull coming from Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton. It makes me sick.

        • 68 lisalovesobama
          May 25, 2011 at 11:13 pm

          hahahahaha. Apparently they don’t…….. I wonder how he’ll spin this to Hillary and PBO? I figure PBO’s party, if not PBO knows about this by now. Valerie Jarrett is always on top of things. She is stellar. When I used to watch Mourning Joke back in the day, Joe the Jackass would misrepresent things and Valerie would immediately e-mail him and he would have to make a public correction by the end of the commercial brake.

    • 71 COS
      May 26, 2011 at 1:22 am

      Although Clinton still remains popular, I think he is jealous of PBO’s popularity.

      • 72 Theo67
        May 26, 2011 at 1:54 am

        I think you’re right. There’s no excuse for making disparaging remarks about Democrats when he used to lead the party, and to the man who is bringing down the Republican party, no less! The whole thing is disgusting. Why can’t Bill be happy with the eight years he had, and just move on quietly into that good night? Such a disgraceful, disloyal, rat-like thing to do.

    • 73 fig8jam
      May 26, 2011 at 10:50 am

      HaHa Ha…at Hiliary’s reply to Bill…lol…I bet she had heard WJC say the same shyt to her!!

  13. 74 HZ
    May 25, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    I do not know all of the facts, but my blood pressure went up a few points. Why would Bill Clinton be heard and seen on tape saying any words of this type to Paul Ryan. I liked Bill Clinton when he was President, but I do not like this one. However, that may have been a set up for Mr. Ryan. However, I just thought it was tacky of both of them. But, I do believe that President Obama is on to all of them. Our SOS seems to be doing such a fine job and Bill needs to go home and read all of his books and papers. Those who really love Hillary do not need to see Bill doing this. Go home and sit down for a while, Mr. Clinton and be quiet. We have a very active President in the Whitehouse. Let it go, Bill Clinton.

  14. 75 Doris
    May 25, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Jealousy is the closest thing to the grave. This fits Bill Clinton and a lot of them. PBO knows, but they can’t stop him or us.

  15. 76 donna dem 4 obama
    May 25, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    “I hope Democrats don’t use this as an excuse to do nothing.” There is just no way to sugarcoat that statement. What exactly does he want to see Dems DO to Medicare?

  16. 78 lisalovesobama
    May 25, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    WARNING: This is not a nice story, but relates to a 2012 Repug candidate.
    T-Paw pardoned a sex offender who raped his 14 year old victim, he went to jail, got out and married her. But because he wanted to start a small business with his wife(opening a day care) he had to get rid of his sex offender status so T-Paw pardoned him. He was arrested on 11 counts of sexual offenses. His daughter reported that her dad, the sex offender was abusing her for 6 years when T-Paw pardoned her dad. According to Thomas Roberts, temporary host of The Ed Show. I know this is salacious, but seriously, this doesn’t look good for Paw-Paw. I wonder how he’ll spin it.

    • 79 Doris
      May 25, 2011 at 11:02 pm

      Saw that. He’s got some explaining to do. What is with these people? Degenerates.

    • 80 EDP4BHO
      May 25, 2011 at 11:03 pm

      This came out on WSY a few days ago. Salacious indeed. Waiting to see wholesome homeboy spin his way out of this.

      • 81 fig8jam
        May 26, 2011 at 11:01 am


        The story is salacious.
        The first charges happened when the man was 19 and the girl 14. So, that is bad enough, but when you commit incest…well just ain’t no words for that.

        Although, I am sure Pawlenty will say..the pardon by the board was unanimous and the thinking at the time was why kill the man’s future when he had a child to raise. You know these folks are cynical. They callously and ignorantly reasoned that it would cost less for the state, if they put him out on the streets and he was gainfully employed.

        That would kill 2 birds, no inmate cost and no child welfare for kid and mother.

        After all, he did marry the 14 year old. See how the right will eat that up. No goverment money being wasted.

        Those good ol boys thought that was very responsible and that he was being accountable for his poor judgment…after all all he did was have sex, not kill the girl so why should they take away that white boys future with a heinous smear like sex offender…snark

      • 82 Mrs. JVD
        May 26, 2011 at 11:21 am

        It’s about time the MSM got around to reporting on this!

    • May 25, 2011 at 11:03 pm

      I have no words. If Dukakis was destroyed by Willie Horton, then if there is any justice Pawlenty will sink without a trace after this.

      • 85 lisalovesobama
        May 25, 2011 at 11:22 pm

        One would hope so. But I wouldn’t put anything past the GOP. I can’t wait for the fantastical story they’ll tell about this lovely bit of mess. This is no longer the party of Dukakis, Ms. Chip. In this ‘Grand Old Party,’ anything goes, including morals, ethics and honesty. It’s unfortunate that we are dealing with the morally bankrupt.

        • 86 lisalovesobama
          May 25, 2011 at 11:24 pm

          Not that Dukakis is some Holy Grail, I’m just saying things have even more greatly devolved from the times of Dukakis.

  17. 87 EDP4BHO
    May 25, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Billy Boy thought he would still be president vicariously through his wife. He will never get over it because Dems did and still do see him as Mr. Democratic Party. Most of them ARE a bunch of racists, which is why they oppose PBO so much, and refuse to admit he is skilled, shrewd, and just damn as smart, if not smarter than Billy Boy.

    • 88 Proud of Obama
      May 25, 2011 at 11:11 pm

      Oh he’s smarter than Bill and all the other dems. I do not trust cheatin Bill. PBO is cleaning up his mess too.

      • 89 lisalovesobama
        May 25, 2011 at 11:34 pm

        every time I hear about DADT and DOMA, I always think: “and another mess to be cleaned up from another prez.”

    • 90 Puddin'
      May 26, 2011 at 1:03 am

      EDP4BHO, you hit the nail on the head! If it walks like a duck, look like a duck…well…

    • 91 COS
      May 26, 2011 at 1:26 am

      Speaking of Dems, I am happy that Holcul won that NY-26 seat, but she also said something a little troubling tonight on Rachel, when she said that she was an independent Democrat. I can see that she is definitely going to be another Blanche Lincoln type blue dog.

      • 92 gn
        May 26, 2011 at 7:38 am

        She’s in a deep red district; she’s not going to be very liberal in my opinion. Still better than a Republican.

        • 93 fig8jam
          May 26, 2011 at 11:06 am

          Yes..gn…she is like Scott Brown in reverse..he has to lean left to keep his seat and she will have to lean right.

          The voters are fickle.

          These labels get me though..first the Democrats run from liberal and call themselves progressives…now they are running even from progressive to calling themselves independents.

          I suspect that is to appeal to the independent voter?

          The only really good news is that this will contribute to the Dems taking back the majority in the House.

          Gaining that is very important as we will then be able to head committees.

          PBO will need that second term.

      • 94 Naijas
        May 26, 2011 at 2:26 pm


        I hear your concern, and I agree that we (Democrats) may not be able to count on Hochul to be a stalwart supporter of progressive causes, but she is better (as gn and fig8jam have commented) than having a republican keep the seat.

        And it is important to keep in mind that she has a difficult constituency to keep happy.

  18. 95 sherijr
    May 25, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    one thing I do get from the video is a sense that these two have chatted before.. it didn’t appear to be a brand new connection. I don’t know, I’m still inclined to wait & see.. but you folks have asked good questions on here imo, as to why Bill, really what is it you would like to see be done with Medicare exactly and how does that relate to Paul Ryan’s ideas? And my other question would be- why would you denigrate last nights very HUGE democratic win with such a comment to a republican as: “I hope they don’t use it as an excuse to do nothing”. I mean what is that really about?

    Now if these ‘journalists’ were really on their game, they’d give Mr. Clinton a phone call themselves and ask him to expound on his comments to Ryan.. instead of playing EVERYONE with this mysterious piece of convo.

  19. 97 P
    May 25, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    My Oh my what a news to go to bed with!!! President Obama has the hardest job in the world and on top of that it seems like there is no one out there who supports this man fully besides VP Biden! I think in times like these he really will be looking to his beautiful wife for a shoulder to lean on. But I wouldn’t worry about it because God is great!!! PBO do the best you can babes and everything will go your way! Jealousy is really a sin!!!!!

  20. 98 Betty's Girl
    May 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Well this is classic BC. He always screws up whatever good and positive work he does by eventually doing something stupid.

    • 99 EDP4BHO
      May 25, 2011 at 11:28 pm

      Hehehe….he does have a knack for that, hey? I will never forget how I thought that mess he got himself into with that Monica, was between he and his wife, whom I actually admired greatly. But when he sat there on national TV and admitted he lied….I mean, it was like he looked me (and us) in the eye and told us he lied…that’s when I lost respect, and I’d voted for him twice. He’s a bastard.

      • 100 fig8jam
        May 26, 2011 at 11:09 am


        My moment came when he was on Oprah and no longer in office, she asked him, why he did it and he replied…because I could.


        just like that fool with the IMF




  21. 101 Carolyn
    May 25, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Of all former presidents, Bill Clinton is the one who had the hardest time giving it up. Remember his long goodbye on GWB’s inauguration day? I couldn’t stand seeing GWB inaugurated, so followed Clinton’s long good bye clear to the hanger to fly to New York. He kept talking and talking and talking…..that was just a symptom. He really wanted to be president in perpetuity. So, I think you’re right. He thought if Hillary was elected, he could be president behind the scenes, and control events. He never supported Gore full throttle like he should have.
    I saw this exchange tonight too…one comentator said that Ryan’s reaction was desperation knowing he had been trounced…..still it is strange. Ryan is like a bad penny, he’ll always turn up. He’s also creepy!

    • 102 Chi
      May 26, 2011 at 4:27 am

      God is exposing every one of these horrid people…

      Or we might never have truly known what people Cinton really are about…

      When Donald Trump keeps referencing the Clintons in his attacks against President Obama, you have to believe that he has tacit approval and some shared conversations that informed and emboldened Trump pleading their name in his rants against President Obama…

    • 103 fig8jam
      May 26, 2011 at 11:10 am

      The Clintons supported Gore.

      Gore did not want their support because of the Monica stain.

      Gore and Tipper tried to get as far away as possible from that Clinton stench.

  22. 104 Carolyn
    May 25, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    …..and now, Barack Obama was invited to stay at Buckingham Palace, had a State Dinner given for him, was invited to address Parliament…..none of those things happened to Clinton. I figure he’s seething inside. Oh yes, and Hillary looked happy and beautiful at the State Dinner…..withouthim.

    • 105 fig8jam
      May 26, 2011 at 11:13 am


      The British have given a State Dinner for only 2 POTUS.

      and only ONE POTUS

      in history has ever


      the UK Parliament.

      and he got swagger, the wind at his back and just keeps on soaring …with his Nobel Peace Prize.

      • 106 Naijas
        May 26, 2011 at 2:33 pm

        Hey fig8jam,

        I believe you may need to correct your assertion, because from an article I read last night in British Newspaper that at least Reagan and maybe another president have addressed the British Parliament before. The distinctive honor that PBO received was that he was the 1st U.S President to be allowed to speak to Parliament at Westminster hall, which is reserved for the Queen. Besides PBO, the only other non British Monarchs to speak from Westminster hall was the Pope and Nelson Mandela.

        I will look for the article where I saw this.

        • 107 fig8jam
          May 26, 2011 at 2:58 pm

          OK, I stand corrected.

          Thank you, Naijas

          “When Barack Obama delivered his speech to combined House of Commons and House of Lords, it was the 46th time a head of state has done so since French president Albert Lebrun in 1939.

          Thanks to the House of Commons information office (and a great thought from Simon Jeffery), we’ve got the full list – and it’s a fascinating breakdown of world politics and issues in a dramatic post-war period.

          Obama is the third US president to do this, after Bill Clinton in 1995 and Ronald Reagan in 1982. But he will be the first to give a speech in the huge Westminster Hall – only Nelson Mandela (1993) and Charles de Gaulle (1960) have done spoken to formal gatherings of both houses there.”


        • 108 fig8jam
          May 26, 2011 at 3:01 pm

          Very interesting though Naijas.

          The Queen still wanted to bestow a distinctive honor on President Obama, her actions were well thought out.

          As Obama said only the Pope, DeGalle and Mandela, have spoke at Westiminster..and he wondered if the list was a high bar or the start of a good joke.

          Don’t you just love our POTUS for his consistent humility, history and humor ,..when beginning a speech?

          Now, that’s what I call…the elegance of Kenyan movement, lol

          • 109 Naijas
            May 27, 2011 at 11:43 am


            I agree with you what the Queen is seriously PBO, Michelle, and the girls. So, yes she is consciously give=ing a honor to PBO that other U.S Presidents have never received. Watch, the right wing will focus on the fact that PBO is not special because their beloved Reagan was the 1st president honored with speaking to both houses of Parliament, but that will miss the point as always!

            About the humility of PBO, I love it! However, do you think that some on the left are a bit confused by it and are starting to think that it means PBO is weak and has no courage of conviction?


            Thanks for adding De Gaulle to the list of those non British monarchs speaking at Westminster hall, missed that one.

  23. 110 StR
    May 25, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Bill only campaigned in 2010 for Dems who backed Hillary in 2008. It’s going to get worse when Hillary retires in early 2013.

    • 111 Chi
      May 26, 2011 at 2:41 pm

      Get worse for whom…

      Most of the people he campainged for lost too…

      People really didn’t make a distinction between Clinton Democrats and others…

      They were told that all Democrats were bad and recently; the and new and improved meme is that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans so vote for Huntsman, he’s ‘moderate’ and is for civil unions even if he’ll screw you royally in a right wing manner on every other issue……

  24. 112 donna dem 4 obama
    May 25, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Here is video of Bill C being interviewed at the summit he was at with Ryan.


    • 113 lisalovesobama
      May 25, 2011 at 11:59 pm

      Thanks for the article. This is a conversation to be had behind closed doors with democrats. Not the enemy. Perhaps Bill has gotten soft in his retirement from the political arena. He’s obviously forgotten all the rules. Even if we demagogue the issue now, the point would be to win back the House with a solid majority in the Senate and then DEMOCRATS will modify Medicare as needed. We don’t need any Repug input because we know exactly what they want to do.

  25. 114 busbus
    May 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Good Evening,

    I’m with Chipsticks on this. I think that this conversation was innocent.

    I don’t know about the possible rift between Bill Clinton and Obama; therefore, I might be missing something. However, I watched this video three times. From what I heard, it seems that in the first part, Clinton was telling Ryan that he was glad that the Democrats won the special election in New York’s 26th District. He said that he hoped that the Democrats would not take this win as an excuse to do nothing. He seems to be hoping that the Democrats will not become complacent with their winning of the special election. Ryan’s comments were about the GOP having had to get their message out there. It appears the taping of this conversation was not a continuous taping. The last part, “give me a call,” may or may not have anything to do with Ryan’s budget plan, in particular, ending Medicare as we know it. So, I will wait to find out about the, “Why?”

    • 115 EDP4BHO
      May 25, 2011 at 11:33 pm

      You’re right. It was a truncated view of the conversation. However, I feel I can speak for most of us here in that we don’t like Ryan, his budget, his ideas, and we all feel Dems should stick together. Also, there are way too few Dems who have PBO’s back, so yes, we are a bit sensitive when we see disarray in the party.

    • May 26, 2011 at 9:51 am

      Agreed. I’d really have to see the whole thing in its entirety.

  26. 119 mmmk
    May 25, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    this morning( 5/ 25) @ ‘morning joe’ p. ryan stated that his plan is in some points based on bill clinton;s plan from some times ago. i am guessing, he did call him.

    • 121 EDP4BHO
      May 25, 2011 at 11:36 pm

      Well if it is based on Clinton’s, thank God Clinton’s didn’t make it. I guess I just don’t like anything Rethug so I’m not as conciliatory towards anything they have to offer. This whole ordeal….the presidential campaign, the lying and hating on PBO, has me exhaused, so I don’t see myself being too mature in listening to that other side. They have been/are hateful, IMO, and want to see my President fail….plain and simple.

    • 122 lisalovesobama
      May 25, 2011 at 11:48 pm

      Bill shouldn’t admit this since it essentially destroys medicare which is a democratic program. Why would a democratic president want to be associated with someone who doesn’t respect the social compact between the peoples and government of the United States? I don’t care who he is or where he comes from, we don’t need people like Bill Clinton undermining our president whether intentionally or unintentionally.He already gets that crap from Repugs and lilly livered Dems in congress. With friends like Bill, we don’t need Creepboy.

      • May 26, 2011 at 9:55 am

        Because politicians do that. Truman and Vanderberg were at the opposite ends of the spectrum but were pretty good friends. Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy. For that matter The President and Tom Coburn.

  27. 124 Sue in Minnesota
    May 25, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I think Bill Clinton has an enormously large ego, and full disclosure I do not like him for the simple ease with which he was willing to lie to America. I’m not sure that I am ready to assign anything nefarious to this, however as is already the case….the MSM will exploit it without clarification or substantiation.

    We can not insist our law makers do not talk to each other, perhaps Clinton would be able to offer suggestions to Ryan to potentially loosen some of the entrenched and belligerent among his party. The Republicans have to get off the dime or wear the mantle of attempting to gut Medicare.

  28. 125 Tien Le
    May 25, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I think the distrust many of us have for Bill Clinton is well-earned. He simply isn’t trustworthy. Innocent or not, he has never not known where the camera and microphone are. I have never ever liked this man even though I voted for him.

  29. 126 PoliticalJunkessa
    May 25, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Typical Bubba.

  30. 127 meta
    May 26, 2011 at 12:42 am

    I’m sorry to say this but I have NEVER understood the Bill Clinton worship. He did a lot of stuff during his presidency that set us back and he was beyond disgusting during the primaries. And now he’s dissing Democrats to Paul Freakin’ Ryan of all people? PLEASE. It must be some kind of need for attention or self-destructive impulse. I’m just completely grossed out, so I better stop there. ENOUGH.

    • 128 Chi
      May 26, 2011 at 4:35 am

      Spot on…

      This man did so much damage. The damage that everyone seems to demand and hold President Obama responsible for cleaning up quickly and without any help…

      Yet he continues to be celebrated and talked up by those who will not cut President Obama a moment’s slack…

    • 129 Jessica
      May 26, 2011 at 10:45 am

      Yep DADT and DOMA, which Obama has to clean up. As time goes on I’m starting to dislike Clinton more and more as a person and politically.

  31. 130 Bobfr
    May 26, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Bill Clinton has always been all about Bill, first, second, third … ad infinitum. Period.

    Had it been otherwise – well, America and the world would never, ever had to suffer the consequences of George W Bush – for starters. Period.

    Had it been otherwise countless numbers of Iraqi citizens, thousands of American and NATO soldiers, …., would most likely be alive today. Period.

    ‘Nuff said.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  32. 131 Puddin'
    May 26, 2011 at 12:50 am

    I don’t know what this exchange means, but it makes me suspicious…did you all see Howard Fineman’s article over at HP today…”OBAMA’S GONE, BUT THE BIG DOG’S HERE”? Apparently, Bill was walking around pretending to be President…shaking hands and talking (connecting) with everyday folks (in the way Maureen Dowd said President Obama does not)…I don’t like what the clip can be interpreted to be.

    • 132 Lovepolitics2008
      May 26, 2011 at 1:33 am

      Watching the treatment PBO has received in the press in the last two years, I’ve always wonder if one of the reasons he’s treated so unfairly is because many members of the “liberal” press have been friends with the Clintons for years… The Clintons had cultivated a lot of relationships in Washington, in order to pave the way for Hillary.

      Let’s not fool ourselves folks. President Obama has paid a heavy price for beating Hillary Clinton, who was the candidate of the establishement.

      • 133 Puddin'
        May 26, 2011 at 2:40 am

        Yes indeed “President Obama has paid a heavy price…” I wondered the same thing you do, when Chris Matthews did the “President of the World” (or something on that order) featuring the one and only William Jefferson Clinton! I didn’t watch it.

      • 134 Chi
        May 26, 2011 at 4:37 am

        The answer is a simple Yes, LovePolitics…

      • May 26, 2011 at 10:04 am

        Friends of the Clintons? The press corps from that time period hated his guts. If they softened up imo it is only because they like to pit one dem against another.

        • 136 Dakota
          May 26, 2011 at 10:24 am

          So true. The Clinton’s were accused of every foul thing they could think of, up to and including murder. As much as I hate to admit it, it was almost as bad as what The Obama’s are experiencing now. It still doesn’t my feeling of total disgust toward this jealous-hearted bed-wetter. His arse is up to something…they don’t call him Slick Willie for nothing. All I know is that he’d better not put Hillary in a difficult position or there will be hell to pay.

        • 140 Chi
          May 26, 2011 at 12:16 pm

          Which is why one would think that the Clintons might discourage their friends in the media like James Carville etc. to stop with the constant demeaning and undermining of this President…

          And that has yet to happen…

  33. 141 CEB
    May 26, 2011 at 1:33 am

    WTF! most of you are much nicer than I am about this. There is nothing innocent about this exchange; there is history and collusion. As one poster said, he has never been unaware of a camera or a microphone. Bill Clinton still thinks it is all about him and has not realized that his influence has waned. He has not gotten over the election and he still has a certain contempt and great jealousy toward PBO. It is sad when people do not realize when the party is over. Throughout the past few weeks and especially during this time in the U K, I have thought it must really suck to be Bill. Whatever he started and was not able to fulfill, PBO has done so. But more than anything, Bill is filled with envy. PBO draws larger crowds here and abroad, got OBL, got HCR written in to law, ended the stop-gap DADT so that it is possible to serve with truth, is admired for his smarts (Clinton always had to be the smartest person in the room), loved by women because he loves his wife, and He is the one, true “First Black President.” I can go on, but Bill’s days are over and he needs to realize this because he is beginning to look like a grumpy old man. He had his time and he chose to forever damage his legacy because he lacks self-control, something that PBO has in abundance.

    • 142 Lovepolitics2008
      May 26, 2011 at 1:41 am

      Pretty strong words CEB. Much of what you’re saying rings true to me.

    • 143 Theo67
      May 26, 2011 at 2:03 am

      I agree with you CEB. Bill Clinton had eight years. His time is over. There’s only one President at a time, and the current one is beloved by the world. I think Clinton has trouble sleeping at night knowing that another man is getting recognized in a more genuine way than he was, and is actually a bigger rock star, because people actually trust the authentic person that is President Obama. I don’t like this video, and I’m not prepared to give any benefit of the doubt here. It should not have happened. And especially not on a day like today (with the NY26 win) and also not with a scum like Paul Ryan. Just bad, all around.

      • 144 Chi
        May 26, 2011 at 4:39 am

        My goodness Theo…
        I just posted a simailar thought up thread before I had a chance to get to yours…

        You are spot on…

    • 145 lmrj
      May 26, 2011 at 2:45 am

      You definitely SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!

    • 146 EDP4BHO
      May 26, 2011 at 4:48 pm

      CEB, you covered this maximally. What else is there to add?

  34. 147 nintendowii10
    May 26, 2011 at 1:55 am

    Excellent job Mr. Clinton, you really stuck your foot in it this time.

    Why the heck would you run your mouth about Democratic strategy to Paul Ryan? Are you really that jealous that your wife isn’t up there making the tough decisions and wishing you could dictate the decisions behind the scenes?

    It’s bullheaded moves like this that are the reason why people didn’t want Hillary for President in 2008. Not just because she hired Rovian Democrats to smear Barack Obama’s image, but because Bill would have done his best to dictate policy and be the shadow President behind his wife’s back.

    Bill seems to be going senile in his old age, he keeps on opening his mouth and putting both feet firmly inside of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he decided to go to FoxLies to be a contributor, just like Evan Bayh. He might as well, he seems bitter that he has become irrelevant in politics and that he will be even more irrelevant after Hillary’s retirement in 2013.

    I tire of the folks who continue to talk about how Mr. Obama wouldn’t have been successful without the Clinton machine, NO, he BEAT the Clinton machine in 2008. He doesn’t need any of the Clinton Democrats stabbing him in the back at every given opportunity, and he definitely does NOT need Bill muddying up the waters for him.

    • 148 Theo67
      May 26, 2011 at 2:04 am


    • 149 meta
      May 26, 2011 at 2:08 am

      And PBO has to put up with hideous derision every single day because he hasn’t turned back all of Clinton’s boneheaded policies soon enough. Just disgusting stuff no matter how you slice it.

      • 150 COS
        May 26, 2011 at 4:55 am

        Yes, Meta, we can thank him for de-regulation and DADT.

        • 151 COS
          May 26, 2011 at 4:56 am

          And don’t forget NAFTA.

          • 152 gn
            May 26, 2011 at 7:47 am

            Yes, NAFTA, of which the now strident, POTUS-bashing, fundamentalist Krugman was a strong proponent…I see why the right has dominated politics for so long despite the paucity of concrete, popular ideas on their part. Geez!

            Hopefully there’s an alternative explanation to this Clinton/Ryan exchange or perhaps it was edited to remove the context of the conversation, but I agree with everyone that the timing is inopportune.

    • 153 Chi
      May 26, 2011 at 4:43 am

      Absolutely spot on Nintendo…

      If you ask me, much of President Obama’s problems came about once he took on some of the Clinton people…
      They have leaked information and done everything to damage this Presidency just so they can claim they were right all along..

      But they clearly discounted God..

  35. 154 Diana
    May 26, 2011 at 3:57 am

    Ryan… “you know the math” hahaha… what a pinhead!!! How come his math doesn’t include tax increases?

    I find this encounter quite unsavory…. especially the ease in which Clinton discussed Democratic strategy…. made my skin crawl!!! Glad this came out…. if the President wasn’t already aware of this relationship… he is now!!! 🙂

  36. May 26, 2011 at 4:32 am

    Hillary told the White House from the beginning that Bill is Bill. She has no control over him which is apparent ….

    • 156 Chi
      May 26, 2011 at 4:47 am

      What about her high profile so-called friends who contimue to publicly demean and undermine President Obama and have forged alliances with right wingers to try to defeat him in 2012…

      Pleas don’t tell me she can’t ask her friends to show her their support and respect by laying off a President who has shown her so much love and respect and helped rehabilitate her battered image…

    • 157 nintendowii10
      May 26, 2011 at 5:55 am

      And that makes me wonder why she even stuck with Bill after he cheated with Monica Lewinsky.

      Heck, Jenny Sanford, Elisabeth Edwards, and Maria Shriver all left Mark Sanford, John Edwards and Arnold Schwarzenegger respectively. It would seem that Bill and Hillary’s marriage is more based solely on politics.

      Hillary at least realizes her time in politics is coming to an end, whereas Bill ALWAYS wants to remain in the spotlight. He had his time in the 90s, if he wants to take cheapshots at our President he should take up a job on FoxLies like Evan Bayh did.

      The main reason why President Obama is having so many problems getting things done is because of opposition not just from the Republicans, but Democrats in his own party. Too many of them are Clintonian Democrats who still refuse to accept the fact that the Clinton Era is done and over with with Bill leading the pack.

    • 158 fig8jam
      May 26, 2011 at 11:24 am


      The real deal is the Hillary built the monster that Bill is…

      now he is out of the cage and she has no way to get him back in.

      She was only able to contain him with the lure of being First Man…and that was due to his guilt and public shame from the blue dress stain.

  37. 159 Ceb
    May 26, 2011 at 6:27 am

    I am looking at the post times,my own as well; guys, do we ever go to sleep? Why are we up reading and posting at all hours of the late night and early morning?

    We are fierce in our love and support of PBO. It is as if we are all his mothers and sisters and big brothers ready to defend him at any time against one and all. Because I trust in PBO’s ability to deal with snakes and in the prayers and active support of millions here and abroad, I do not get upset when people like Bill show us who they really are. Knowledge is power and it is always good to know who your enemies are. Our man will be fine.

  38. 161 anniebella
    May 26, 2011 at 6:38 am

    I was thinking maybe Clinton is trying to convince Paul Ryan not to drop his plan because Clinton knows it is a losing situation for the Republicans, and a winner for the Democrats. Clinton knows what side the public is on. Clinton is no dummy. I could be wrong, but Ryan could have just been charm by a snake. Or a donkey in sheep’s clothing.

    • 162 gn
      May 26, 2011 at 7:49 am

      I think that this is a valid alternative explanation.

    • 163 lisalovesobama
      May 26, 2011 at 9:15 am

      I’m hoping that this is true. But the thing is, you never know with Bill. I’m really hoping he’s trying to con Paul, but he could be conning us.

  39. 164 Debra
    May 26, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Bill Clinton is jealous of President Obama. I really think is that simple. He just got exposed and he is a snake in the grass.

  40. 165 Fred
    May 26, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Bill “JUDAS” Clinton;once again strikes out and has exposed his damn self!

  41. May 26, 2011 at 8:05 am

    I have always given Clinton the benefit of the doubt. But I don’t think I can now. Call him for what? Can you imagine any ex Republican prez saying that to a Democrat whose program was rightly sinking? Somebody got some explaining to do.

  42. 167 Titti
    May 26, 2011 at 8:23 am

    I thought all the politricks were over from the Clintons. Why Bill? I hope someone would get him on tv to explain himself. Would love to watch him squirm trying to explain this.

  43. 168 Sonjia Duncan
    May 26, 2011 at 8:46 am

    The Peter Peterson Foundation held its second annual day-long fiscal summit to discuss solutions to the nation’s fiscal challenges and how to reduce the current federal debt and deficit. Speakers at the forum included former President Bill Clinton, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI), White House Economic National Council Director Gene Sperling and members of the “Gang of Six,” a bipartisan group of Senators who are working on a 2012 federal budget deal.

    Video of summit:

    The conversation between clinton and ryan took place back stage at this summit.

  44. 169 Carolyn
    May 26, 2011 at 9:45 am

    One thing I know is that Valerie Jarrett, David Plouffe and the other team members are all over this. No grass grows under their feet. Some people think that because they are out of the country, they are out of touch…..NO! I saw Valerie Jarrett in the front row of the speech yesterday, and she was all business there too. Obama has some big guns on his side we don’t even know about, and they do a lot of work under the radar.
    Those people from Chicago know how to get things done…..and I don’t mean in dirty ways. They are smart and smooth.

  45. 170 Regster
    May 26, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Hey TOD Fam,

    I’m not a Bill Clinton fan but I have to say two words: “Andrew Breitbart”. We can’t forget that snake is out there and Bill Clinton may not have said anything that is undermining President Obama. Yes, we know jealousy is a mother, however, President Clinton loves one thing more than fame and that is being relevant. I’m sure he is getting all sorts of questions as to what happened in this “abbreviated” film clip shot by-whomever-knows…

    I will wait for the facts to come out and I think Rachel could have kept her powder dry on this one until she got more and definitive information to report. I don’t like insinuations and we Democrats need to stick together and unify on messaging. We know we have the winning top ticket; let’s focus on getting strong, proud to be YELLOW Democratic people locally, state=wide and federally nominated and elected. This thing with President Clinton will come out and we can make sure that the appropriate actions are taken when all of the facts are out. No more rush to judgments – that is what conservatives do; not progressives!!!!

    Have a great day y’all, and Chipsticks, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all that you and BWD do!!! ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

  46. 171 fig8jam
    May 26, 2011 at 11:34 am

    One thing you learn about politics…is the perception the media spins to us of all this diametrically opposed enmity between parties and individual politicians is heighten for ratings.

    All of these people social together…and they do so with genuine humanity towards each other.

    The Cokie Roberts, Eugene Robinsons, Landrieus, Pelosi, Gingrichs, Ryans, Coburns, Lugars all of these folks are swimming in the same swamp.

    Amd there is far less hate and animus towards one another than the press leads you to believe.

    At the end of the day…politics is a contest for power…and you do not gain power by being unable to win friends and influence people no matter what persuasion they are of nor what their political stance is.

    PBO understands this better than most…after all that is why he was elected President of the Harvard Law review. His peers who were far more conservative them him stated they always felt he listened to them and did was not derisive of their ideas. Rather he had conversations with them.

    It is the same lesson that Oprah left her fans with yesterday…she said:

    “Everyone wants to be validated, they want to know you see them, hear them and most of all listen to them.”

    Obama does this so magnificently that he triumphs again and again and again!!


    • 172 Chi
      May 26, 2011 at 12:23 pm

      Dear Figjam-

      Perception is one thing, but to see and hear so-called Democrats who are close to the Clintons publicly demean and undermine President Obama again and again, leaves one under no illusions as to what is going on and what these people are up to…

      And they are not friends…

      • 173 fig8jam
        May 26, 2011 at 1:41 pm


        Who are the folks, you are saying have publicly demeaned and undermined PBO, that you have seen and heard?

  47. 174 Blue
    May 26, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Well, Bill also said letting the Debt ceiling voted down might be a good thing. So, I’m not surprise anymore!! Sorry, I never trusted the Clintons, and I know, Hillary is being watch too by Susan Rice. President Obama is no fool!

  48. 175 CEB
    May 26, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Thanks everyone for the different views about this. I was so pissed yesterday as my posts show. I will now take a page out of PBO’s book and wait for all of the facts before making a final judgement. However, I am not walking back from the comments I made about the level of jealousy and animus that Clinton has toward PBO.

    • 176 fig8jam
      May 26, 2011 at 1:44 pm

      I can agree with a lot of what you said yesterday, ain’t upset about you sayin it neither.

      That no labels list was quite impressive.

      Great sleuthing and exposure.

  49. 177 barb
    May 26, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Thanks Chips for giving us TOD to talk through the topics of the day. The wealth of knowledge and ability to communicate effectivly is remarkable. I will wait and see if more comes to light. Personally, I wish Bill would put a zipper on his mouth. I have problems with him. He accomplished alot when he was in office, especially reducting the deficit. Saying that, I have always intuitively had an uneasiness feeling about him and this was before all the garbage came out. Ego and greed. He really turned me during the primaries and I lost all respect for him. Hilary is part of this administration and you would think he would want to see it succeed but when has he ever put her first? POTUS helped me get over my negative feeling about Hilary. I am just grateful he has his Chicago group surrounding the wagons for him. When the cats away all the mice want to play.

  50. 178 LYNND
    May 26, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmm. I bet the Republicans are even more worried about Bill than we are.

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