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May
11

‘the latest in a long line of manufactured outrages’

Steve Benen: ……Apparently, the most contentious point yesterday – or, at least, the point Republicans want to pretend was contentious – was one 30-word sentence: “We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the same thing two years ago, and Jeffrey Goldberg noted that George W. Bush adopted the same line in 2005 (see below).

…as near as I can tell, the president yesterday articulated the same position American administrations have taken for decades. Ah, Charles Krauthammer says, that may be, but no president has “ever before publicly and explicitly endorsed the 1967 lines.” In other words, Obama said something scandalous by taking a U.S. policy that’s existed for a generation and saying that it’s U.S. policy….

Full post here

Jeffrey Goldberg (The Atlantic): In 2005, George W. Bush stated that it is “unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949” (the 1967 boundaries of Israel, in other words).

Yesterday, Barack Obama said that  he believes “the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.”

I take this to mean that Israel would retain its major settlement blocs; that it would retain the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem, and that it would take West Bank land needed to thicken it at its most narrow point, in exchange for land adjacent to the Gaza Strip and the southern West Bank. I also interpret the saying “mutually agreed upon” to mean, well, “mutually agreed upon.” In other words, these boundaries would not be set without Israel’s approval.

I understand that Prime Minister Netanyahu is interpreting this as a major policy shift, and I understand that much of the media is going along with this interpretation. For what it’s worth, I don’t see a huge gap in the way these two Presidents framed the core issue.


11 Responses to “‘the latest in a long line of manufactured outrages’”


  1. 1 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    May 20, 2011 at 9:43 am

    THE BALL IS IN NETANYAHU’S AND THE PALESTINIANS’ COURT…THEY NEED TO GROW UP,SIT DOWN,FACE EACH OTHER AND WORK FOR PEACE! THEY NEED TO DO THIS FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN! IT’S SHAMEFUL!

  2. 2 PoliticalJunkessa
    May 20, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Much ado about nothing….as usual. PBO is about to eat Netanyahoo’s lunch today, I have a feeling. And drink his milkshake.

    Again, the message is “GROW UP.” Israel, grow up. Media, grow up. Consumers of, and reactors to, the media: grow up.

    Have a great day, everyone :-)!

  3. May 20, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Any old excuse will do to keep controversy going. I don’t know how our President does it. If he say zig, Republicans want to zag. Wake up America.

    • 4 COS
      May 20, 2011 at 10:10 am

      Hey Jackie. I agree with you totally. I am sure PBO will set him straight on this border issue. Someone wanted to know why PBO would give this speech at this time? I have never knwn PBO to kick the can down the road. I trust that he knows exactly what he is doing. PBO is brave enough to tell Israel what they need to hear; not what they want to hear. Tough love!!!!

    • 5 nathkatun7
      May 20, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      That so, so true Jackie! By the way your observation also applies to the PL.

  4. 6 cat48
    May 20, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I’d love to pundh Netanyahou. I would feel better temporarily. I think the “wingnut flash mob” is a GOP-driven attempt to peel off Jewish voters from the Dems. They started this last campaign & will continue. Chuck Todd asked a Gooper this a.m. if that is what it was b/c Obama & Bush both, as well as all other presidents, started with 1967 lines.

    Frankly, I don’t think I’m mentally strong enough for this crap anymore. Having trouble dealing with all the conflict lately.

    • 7 VC prezOfan2
      May 20, 2011 at 12:24 pm

      Cat48, Good Morning to you! 😆 I confess that I burst out laughing at your first snd second sentences, partly because the first was unexpected, and also because Netanyahu has been angering me for awhile now, but I never realized that’s just how he makes me feel. He’s been doing a fair amount of grandstanding, seemingly at the President’s expense, yet I remember the 2007 (?) interview in which the President said he listens to dissenting viewpoints calmly, but he’ll crush those who seek to take advantage. I like to think that Netanyahu is approaching the point where he will be ‘crushed’ if he doesn’t begin to negotiate in an adult and responsible manner, without the smirk. Having said that, obviously the President is well aware of the prevailing sentiments towards Israel, and he will, IMO, ‘crush’ Netany artistically with that in mind, if he is forced to take that route. So, ‘Chin up’, our very adroit leader will dance through the muck AND the noise while keeping his eyes on the ‘North Star’.

      Have a good day!

  5. 8 Carolyn
    May 20, 2011 at 11:15 am

    We get tired of this nonsense, but I think the President enjoys “Putting the cat among the pigeons” as the old saying goes. He has long range plans and will bring these guys to heel eventually. So much work goes on under the radar….fortunately…that Chucky and Andrea know nothing about.
    I used to get somewhat nervous about these meetings too, but have learned by watching that they never get ahead of our Prez. I remember one of his quotes “I’m skinny, but I’m tough.” I believe that. Look at the difference he made in voting in Chicago when he worked there. If you can handle Chicago, honestly, you can handle anything. He’s had every trick tried on him, and is always way out in front. Bibi is a schoolyard bully…..nothing new on the world stage.

  6. 10 Claire
    May 20, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Let’s hope that Israel gets so upset with the US that they no longer wish to receive financial, political, and military support from the US. They should tell the US to mind its own affairs because Israel is capable as a sovereign nation of handling its own problems. Rather than insulting our CIC on our soil, then continuing to expect US support, cut us off Israel. Too many American lives have been lost defending a nation that disregards our advise and insults us.

    • 11 VC prezOfan2
      May 20, 2011 at 12:41 pm

      Claire, I take heart from my observation of the President’s response to their ‘insults’. He continues on his journey, dancing this way and that (as per that childhood description when rocks were thrown at him). Meanwhile onlookers see the lack of graciousness in his opponents’ behaviour, the opponents get lots of opportunities to modify their behaviour, so when the President does respond, no fair person would complain about the action taken. The beauty of all this to me, is that the President’s actions crush the ‘poor soul’ (ex. the Trump boy, the Ryan boy, the GOP caucus a couple years ago, etc), but the actions do not seem vindictive, just truthful/logical. So I get the feeling that he decimates their position while still allowing them the chance to stand up and go on, even if they have to hang their heads a little. [Of course, most of them have no shame so they may not even hang their heads.]


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