give & take

BBC: US President Barack Obama has insisted that the “1967 border” must be the “basis for negotiations” to set up a future Palestinian state. In an interview with the BBC, Mr Obama said the position was “obvious” to those who had followed the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

…”The basis for negotiations will involve looking at that 1967 border, recognising that conditions on the ground have changed and there are going to need to be swaps to accommodate the interests of both sides,” Mr Obama said in an interview to be broadcast in full on Sunday.

The US president said Israel would not “move forward” in negotiations unless the country felt secure against attacks from Gaza and Hezbollah in Lebanon. And he acknowledged that the future status of Jerusalem and the fate of Palestinian refugees would remain to be discussed.

“Our argument is let’s get started on a conversation about territory and about security,” he said. “If we make progress on what two states would look like and a reality sets in among the parties, that this is how it is going to end up, then it becomes easier for both sides to make difficult concessions to resolve those two other issues.”

Israel immediately rejected Mr Obama’s vision of a Palestinian state based on the borders before the 1967 Six Day war between Israel and a bloc of neighbouring Arab states. In a statement, Mr Netanyahu, who is due to hold talks with Mr Obama in Washington on Friday, said the 1967 lines would leave Jewish settlements outside Israel.

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I see the President is being attacked by both extremes after his speech today (which is a good sign)…. reminds me of these two photos:


Washington Post: President Obama used an address Thursday on the tumult in the Middle East and North Africa to increase pressure on American allies in the region, including Israel, to carry out lasting political reform and make peace with old enemies.

…Obama used one of the longest sections of his speech to urge Israel, in unusually frank terms, to negotiate a final peace agreement with the Palestinians.

For the first time, Obama cited Israel’s boundaries on the eve of the June 1967 Arab-Israeli war as the basis for negotiation over final borders, saying that a “full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces” from the West Bank should be carried out in coordination with Palestinian security forces.

The formulation goes beyond principles outlined by President George W. Bush, who stated during his term that “it is unrealistic to expect” Israel to pull back to the 1967 lines. Obama said the negotiations over final borders, which he indicated may include land swaps to accommodate Israel’s large settlement blocs, should result in “a viable Palestine, a secure Israel.”

Obama acknowledged that the conflict’s most emotional questions — the division of Jerusalem, which both Israelis and Palestinians claim as their capital, and the right of Palestinian refugees or their descendants to return to homes inside Israel — would still need to be resolved. But he said moving forward now on the border and security aspects would provide a foundation for resolving the two “wrenching and emotional issues” in a “just and fair” manner.

By doing so, Obama essentially embraced the middle ground between two camps within his national security team, which for months have debated how far he should go in spelling out his plan for an Israeli-Palestinian peace…..

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34 Responses to “give & take”

  1. 1 P
    May 19, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Jah know me love an intelligent man!!!! and he couldn’t do a better job than President Obama 🙂

  2. 3 StR
    May 19, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Netanyahu is being completely disingenuous. President Obama clearly stated that the 1967 borders would be the basis, but there would be land swaps necessary as things have changed.

  3. 6 collegekay
    May 19, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    He is right. I wrote an 11 page paper about this conflict last semester. The Israelis need to stop occupying Palestinian territory. It is the main thing fueling anti-Israel and anti-American sentiment. I know that Israel is our “ally” but they need to be held accountable..my opinion.

  4. 9 Barb
    May 19, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    The Fundalmentalist Christians are counting on more fighting so we can have the Tribulation and the battle of Armageddon in the Middle East followed by ….The Rapture.

    They don’t want peace and anyone who speaks up against Israel is a lost soul…at least that’s what my neighbor calls me. 🙂

    May 19, 2011 at 7:23 pm


  6. 15 Me4obama
    May 19, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    Chris Mathews said it well, it was a gutsy statement for the president to make. Netanyahu to claim that he has a letter from Bush telling him otherwise about the 1967 border is crazy talk to me. Who is he dealing with Obama or Bush. Peace be upon those who promote it.

    • 16 busbus
      May 19, 2011 at 8:08 pm

      “Who is he dealing with…..” I think that it is THE GOP!

      Do you remember that after the midterm elections when Congress went on vacation? Well, it was reported that Eric Cantor visited Israel, with his family, and had a private meeting with Netanyahu. Even though this meeting was described as an informal meeting, can you imagine the topic of conversation between the newly elected Majority Leader and Netanyahu? It was reported, also, that Eric Cantor told Netanyahu to ignore the POTUS because the GOP had his and Israel’s back,

      • 17 Me4obama
        May 19, 2011 at 8:49 pm

        That’s why i don’t trust Netanyahu. He thinks he can bully this president, good luck to him tomorrow, he will wake up one day and regret why he never created peace for the Jewish people who really need it to be secure in their homeland and the Palestine people who deserve human dignity to have a state of their own.

        • 18 theo67
          May 19, 2011 at 11:48 pm

          Indeed – Cantor is a two-faced snake. And Netanyahu should be ashamed for the future he’s bestowing on future generations, just as you’ve stated.

    • 19 meta
      May 19, 2011 at 11:52 pm

      Yeah and I have a note that says I can go to the cafeteria and get a cookie. Ppfffttt.

  7. 20 Tulips
    May 19, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    This is where its time for americans to speak up. We need some kind of petition direct to the jewish league AiPAC and made aware of the petition to Netanayhu when he comes for a visit.

  8. May 19, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    I am so happy that this president is in office and so happy that he has made it clear that we and the world are exhausted baby sitting this conflict.

  9. 22 PoliticalJunkessa
    May 19, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    In all matters, PBO is calling people to GROW UP. Whether it’s the Middle East, healthcare, or jobs, he’s telling people to stop acting like knuckle-dragging idiot, grow the hell up, and step into maturity, rationality and reason.

    Whoever has an ear, let them hear.

  10. 24 Bobfr
    May 19, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    For many reasons, no one will forget this speech.

    It represents a transformation in American foreign policy in an unprecedented way regarding Israel, Palestine, the Mid-East, North Africa and the world.

    The people throughout Israel, Palestine, the Mid-East and North Africa to whom the President spoke most directly were the citizens of those Nations and regions.

    He spoke directly to them by calling out the leadership of allies and enemies in as even-handed a dose of – your responsibility is to securing the inalienable rights of all your people, not the aggrandizement of power to a few.

    Simply amazing, but not surprising because, after all, it is President Obama doing the leading.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • 25 anniebella
      May 19, 2011 at 8:18 pm

      Bobfr, you are so right.

    • May 19, 2011 at 8:48 pm

      I couldn’t agree more Bob, and what struck me too was how hugely courageous this speech was – if the President had the 2012 election on his mind, he wouldn’t have spoken in such terms about the need for give and take between Israel and the Palestinians, he’d have thrown all his weight behind Israel. Instead, he opted to do the right thing – once again – by looking for compromise from both sides on the 1967 borders. And people still ask me why I admire the fella so much?!!

      • 27 Bobfr
        May 19, 2011 at 9:59 pm

        “what struck me too was how hugely courageous this speech was – if the President had the 2012 election on his mind, he wouldn’t have spoken in such terms about the need for give and take between Israel and the Palestinians”

        Chipsticks, that is an essential insight.

        We saw a President of the United States doing precisely what a President should do – enunciating American Foreign policy, not positioning himself politically.

        We also know that that is what this President has done since before he even took office – i.e., between election day 2008 and when he was sworn in on Inauguration day.

        That is just who Barack Obama is – to his core. His brilliance as a politician is knowing NOT TO BE a political President – but the real deal.

        What does confound me is just how many folk still don’t get it – though I think the actions of most of those folk that cause us to perceive that they don’t get it are actually their very best efforts at denial. In other words, they get it and it scares the you know what out of them.

        P.S. anniebella – thank you!

        Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • 28 theo67
      May 19, 2011 at 11:50 pm

      The line I loved the most was when he said America needs to show that it values the street vendor more than the tyrant (or something to that effect).

  11. 29 halo
    May 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Where is the full interview?

  12. 31 kelly
    May 19, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    POTUS Obama is correct. The rest are playing the usual politricks. Nothing new to see here.

  13. May 19, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Let me add my two cents. I too believe both sides need to agree to move the football and stop letting the fighting be the focus. As an American I am so tired of this conflict year after year after year… The majority of civil people around the world want there to be peace for these two groups because it is truly taxing on peoples emotions and on everyone’s treasury

  14. May 20, 2011 at 4:54 am

    “The UK will stand alongside the US in supporting those in the region”


    • 34 VC prezOfan2
      May 20, 2011 at 1:51 pm

      Thank you, TO2012. It is encouraging to see what other, more sane, heads have to say on the issues contained in the speech, because the False media we have in North America is never tardy in filling the space with lies.

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