29 Responses to “the tale of two townhalls … poor paul ryan”


  1. April 20, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    “Speaking as an adult to an adult audience.” This seems like a paradise today. Will we ever see this type of conversation again? In the political arena, why can’t this be the way we talk to each other all the time?

    • 2 fig8jam
      April 21, 2011 at 8:45 am

      Adult audience is the operative phrase, I believe, when it is present…then YES, we can have an adult conversation.

      The problem is that unlike Obama’s parents/grandparents so much of the public today is uninformed due to cable. Unfortunately, the offspring are just as uninformed because they listen to their parents. Democrats have consistently been shown to have greater cognitive interest in politics vs. the GOP who are very emotional about politics. The GOP seldom talks issues or policies instead they demonize, villify, and disparage the individual vs. discussing the policy issue.

      What is so unique about this campaign is that we have young people 18-25 who are engaged and because they are educated they understand the policies and how they will impact their lives. That is the biggest shift in focus. Typically, the candidate focuses on people who are 40 or 50 years plus who are interested in their children and grandchildrens future. What Obama is doing is showing this generation how these policies are going to impact their own futures.

      I love this and know that phrases like fundamentally change the social compact America has with its citizens is going to resonate loudly. Not just with the youngsters but with the seniors. The folks who are 60 plus, know they were the beneficiaries of the social compact. Their grandkids and kids are going to stop having conversations with them and uncovering the truth, that it was indeed the social saftety net that allowed sooo many of them to move into a stable upwardly mobile middle class. No more of this up by your bootstraps crap..which was not true to begin with. NONE of these folks succeed ALONE!! Not unless they were independently wealthy.

      What Obama is doing is highlighting how the GOP has flipped this to such a degree that middle class is pitted against the middle class and voting to pull the rug out from under themselves! Instead, of saying hell no, let the rich pay more money in taxes.

      I believe this is a winning message.

  2. 3 lisa
    April 20, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Ms. Chips, did you see the part where Howard Parasite Loser Fineman admitted he was wrong about saying a couple weeks ago that PBO got his “clock cleaned by Rusty Boner”[?] What a douche. Then he was like, “this is what this president does, he surfs the waves. For the debt ceiling, he’ll cut a deal with repugs, the left part of PBO’s party will be up in alt because they thing he gave up too much, then on further reflection, we’ll realize that he didn’t give them much of anything….blah, blah, blah”. Fineman is an Olbermann stooge. He’s such an idiot. If he spent less time flapping his gums and more time evaluating what the president does and recognizing that PBO mas more brain cells than all his so called progressiive hecklers combined, he wouldnt have to face the embarrassment of retracking his crap statements. Loser. You should have seen how quickly he backtracked, like a whore in church on the day of reconing.

    • 4 Anonymous
      April 20, 2011 at 11:04 pm

      has, not mas. Ugh. Deliever me 😕

      • 5 lisa
        April 20, 2011 at 11:12 pm

        so many grammatical mistakes in my excitement. Couldn’t even bother to identify myself in the previous post. But that’s me marked as anonymous 😉 seriously, I need to learn to re-read before hitting post 😕

    • 6 sherijr
      April 20, 2011 at 11:05 pm

      Nicely said Lisa 🙂

    • 7 Sue in Minnesota
      April 20, 2011 at 11:16 pm

      Fineman is a Republican. Very affable personality, but what comes out of his mouth is wah wah wah wah worthless.

    • 9 Lovepolitics2008
      April 20, 2011 at 11:49 pm

      Ouch Lisa, tell us how you feel LOL. At least he admitted he was dead wrong. And from what he’s saying, he’ll probably be a bit more careful next time. I DARE hope some of those short=sided pundits are beginning to catch up…

      ( I have to say though… the republicans could catch up too. Next round will be more difficult. That’s why this time President Obama is taking it to the people. )

      • 10 Theo67
        April 21, 2011 at 12:25 am

        I doubt he’ll be careful, because this is a repeating behavior with him. Fineman is a tool – ever since he went to the tea party rally last year, he’s been brainwashed. Completely useless.

        • 11 Sue in Minnesota
          April 21, 2011 at 1:52 am

          Theo67, I agree. His track record is long and established. He is personable…he’s no fan of President Obama’s, and IMO seems to take delight in painting him in unflattering light. I have no high expectations for the MSM and or the pundits, but I am not interested political theatrics. The townhalls, the round tables, the question and answer sessions availed to us through whitehouse.gov are far more productive, serious and respectful approaches to honest dialogue than our political media programming. And thank goodness for citizen journalists…..many who with credibility are filling the vacuum created by our corporate media.

      • 12 Sue in Minnesota
        April 21, 2011 at 2:07 am

        As long as President Obama has been in office he has been taking it to the people. Townhalls aren’t new, factory visits, visits to schools, private homes, backyards, small and large companies……he has been doing this from the beginning. Whitehouse.gov covers it, our MSM usually ignores it, they are more invested in writing their own alternate reality.

        We need to encourage people to redirect their attention to sources of real information. Whitehouse.gov should be the starting point.

        • 13 nathkatun7
          April 21, 2011 at 3:28 am

          You are absolutely right Sue in Minnesota! That is why I resent people like Lawrence O’Donnell who claim that what the President said to day was something completely new. I’ve carefully listened to President Obama and he always treats people in his town hall audiences as adults. He said the same thing to day as he said two days ago at GW university. The MSM thinks all of us are stupid when they try to claim that the President finally found his voice. I think they do that to try to cover all their lies and misinformation because they never cared to cover all his previous town hall meetings. Instead they interpreted what the President said, without allowing people to hear exactly what he said.

          • 14 fig8jam
            April 21, 2011 at 8:53 am

            I agree that what POTUS said was not new.

            I also know that he is speaking now with phrases that resonate with the emotionally political.

            We who have always supported Obama know his message, his basic political tenets and his unwavering committment to those.

            Unfortunately, to reach the masses who are far less intellectual about issues POTUS has to bring their emotions into it. So they can feel what will happen politically.

            Saying, that phrase about fundamentally changing the social compact, resonates. The young folks understand this means college grants/aids, the poor/unemployed understand this means medicaid, the old understand this means medicare regardless of their political persuasion.

            I couldn’t agree more that they have basically refused to cover this Presidency and broadcast his messages. The MSM takes every opportunity to censor/edit/obfuscate what ever he says but then the oligarchs own our mass communication system and they have no inherent interest in broadcasting anything that is not in their capitalistic interest.

    • April 21, 2011 at 12:31 am

      Tell it, Lisa!

      Howard Fineman is quick to jump on the “Obama failed” meme without checking the facts. He wants so much for republicans to beat our President. I’ve been onto Howard Fineman since the primaries. He’s an envious hater!

  3. 16 Sue in Minnesota
    April 20, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Our President has never lost his voice. The MSM practices creative license with reality.

  4. 17 sherijr
    April 20, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Good grief Ryan’s town meeting was great in that folks were too smart to fall for his tired republican mantra that if we raise taxes on the wealthy we’ll stop job creation- such crap.

    President O was outstanding as usual and so smart and clear in his answers- but thats who he is.

    I’m not impressed with Lawrence stating the President has ‘finally found his voice’. Oh for God’s sake stfu about this silly nonsense. Maybe Lawrence you just do not listen.. because he- POTUS has never been without voice, you & your ilk shut out his voice, try to be his voice (and ours) and too often don’t stop talking long enough to pay attention.. my bet is that you’ve missed most of his townhalls.

    Chris Hayes says: POTUS speaking “as the adult in the room”, lol.. I tell ya that is catching on bigtime folks. Because it is so darn true.

    • 18 Theo67
      April 21, 2011 at 12:55 am

      Well said. The President has been saying all of this all this time, but these nincompoops haven’t been listening.

    • 19 fig8jam
      April 21, 2011 at 9:00 am

      That line Ryan used about small businesses creating jobs as a rebuttal to raising taxes on the top 1% is a golden opportunity for Obama.

      He can say that since the taxes were decreased under GWB, America has loss jobs. That in fact, the Obama administration created more jobs in the last year then Bush did in his entire 8 years. So, if lower taxes created jobs where were they under GWB.

      Furthermore, he can then point to the prosperity under WJC when taxes were at the rate Obama is now proposing. America was far more prosperous and more jobs were created under Clinton and Obama than they have were under GWB.

      That is the economic, job creation message about taxes for 2012.

      POTUS should also underscore the obscene profits that resulted from GWB, lowering taxes while the rest of the country saw a precipitous drop in not just wages but job creation as well.

  5. 20 GGail
    April 20, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    I’ve seen a news video clip of POTUS townhall meeting on Yahoo and CNN, but I’ve not seen a clip of Ryan’s townhall meeting. Hmmmmm…

    • 21 hopefruit2
      April 20, 2011 at 11:21 pm

      True. And where are the video clips of people waving excitedly at Ryan’s vehicle passing buy? Where are the video clips of everyone whipping out their cameras to take pics of Ryan at the townhall? Please do tell!

    • 22 Bobfr
      April 20, 2011 at 11:31 pm

      Not to worry; you can be sure that particular video of Ryan is going to appear in a lot of DNC, OFA, DSCC, DCCC ads – in purple or red districts – come next year 🙂

  6. 23 Dorothy Rissman
    April 21, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Nice. I do not watch larry much these days, but it is nice to see him speak well of the president. thanks

  7. 24 Fred
    April 21, 2011 at 12:25 am

    The body language alone of Ryan in that clip says way more than the audio. If you notice his shoulders drooped and he crouched forward in a submissive stance when everyone started booing. That tells me that even HE does not believe in the things he is saying.

  8. 26 Titti
    April 21, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I’m just happy that people are staying informed and can challenge them on on their so called ‘facts’.

  9. 27 Carolyn
    April 21, 2011 at 11:40 am

    I watched O’Donnell at the beginning of his tenure, then stopped, and now watch sometimes. I think he is finally being himself, and not a clone of others. He is quite concerned with the hate and lies Trump is spewing, and spends time each night rebutting what he says. O’Donnell says it is quite important to rebut these statements. He considers Trump the worst of the worst, catering to the hatred and racism in the country. He said many people who watch him don’t want him to mention Trump, but he believes we HAVE to counter his lies.
    His presentation of Ryan’s townhall was great. It needs wide distribution. O’Donnell said that if Ryan, who wrote this bill and apparently believes in it, can’t defend it effectively, what will the others do.

  10. 28 majii
    April 21, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Ezra Klein drives a nail into Ryan’s budget and connects it to the irresponsible demands the republicans are making regarding raising the debt ceiling:

    “House Republicans voted to make the Ryan budget law. But the Ryan budget includes $6 trillion in new debt over the next 10 years, which means that to become law, the Ryan budget would require a substantial increase in the debt ceiling. But before the Republicans agree to increase the debt ceiling so that the budget they passed can become law, Republicans are demanding the passage of either a balanced budget amendment that would make the Ryan budget unconstitutional or a spending cap that the Ryan budget would, in certain years (and if you’re using more realistic numbers, in all years), exceed.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/republicans_cant_meet_their_own_deficit_and_spending_targets/2011/04/13/AFxhhTIE_blog.html?wprss=ezra-klein

  11. 29 LYNND
    April 21, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Thanks for the link Majii. Good info.


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