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Apr
11

‘a dose of hard reality for progressives’

Politcususa: One of the little nuggets to be found in the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll is the level of support that the American people expressed for Obama’s decision to leave GITMO open. 67% of Americans approved of leaving Guantanamo Bay open, and only 29% disapproved.

…Americans were asked to rank their support for some recent decisions made by President Obama … the results were a little surprising. The most popular decision that Obama made was to allow offshore drilling to resume. 71% of respondents approved and only 29% disapproved. The second most popular decision Obama made was to leave GITMO open …. The third most popular decision was the no fly zone over Libya. 66% approved and 30% disapproved. 58% approved of Obama’s proposed domestic spending freeze … The only recent decision that Obama has made that was unpopular … was his decision to continue the war in Afghanistan….

These are not the poll numbers of an unpopular or untrusted president. A large majority of Americans agreed with this president on four of his five decisions … they seem to trust Obama’s decision making and his judgment.

The real stunner here for progressives is how widely supported Obama’s decision to keep GITMO open is. Progressives including Rachel Maddow have been filleting Obama for his decision to keep the prison open for weeks, but it turns out that these critics are in the minority….

The data from this poll is a dose of hard reality for progressives who like to think of themselves as Obama’s base. The truth is that they are all small part of Obama’s base … there is an entire bloc of Americans who don’t follow the progressive movement but came out en mass to elect Barack Obama in 2008. These people are the Obama Democrats, and they are in many ways separate from the progressive movement.

…Progressives make up anywhere from 25%-29% of Americans … the Tea Party is supported by about 29% of America. As painful as this might be for progressives to realize, the reality is that your movement is about on par with the Tea Party in terms of support and self-described identification.

Progressives and Tea Partiers and over represented in the Internet discussion and both place a premium on purity. If one were to only read the progressive Internet discussion about Obama, you would come away thinking that he is doomed one termer, when the big picture reveals that Obama is in a good position to be reelected in 2012.

…Obama is the President of the United States and if he made decisions based on what the progressives wanted, his decisions would be unpopular with about 2/3 of the country … when progressive bash Obama’s recent decisions are they really upset at this president, or are they upset that more Americans don’t agree with them? …

Full article here


14 Responses to “‘a dose of hard reality for progressives’”


  1. 1 CTGirl
    April 7, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Hi, I am CTGirl and I am an “Obama Democrat” … I a loving it!

  2. 2 Kels
    April 7, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Finally, mainstream media sources are starting to say what we pro-Obama bloggers have been saying for the past 2 years!! The PL’s are not the base and are not even representative of your average Democrat!!!! The only difference between them and the tea party is that they’re more clever with their racism and went to better colleges!

  3. 3 Proud of Obama
    April 7, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Hi, I’m Proud of Obama and proud to be an “Obama Democrat.” Suck on that whining progressives. This man knows what he’s doing. Deal with it.

  4. 4 Soldier*1
    April 7, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Proud to say I am an “Obama democrat”. I need a bumper sticker that says this.

  5. 5 Proud of Obama
    April 7, 2011 at 9:36 am

    “The truth is that they are all small part of Obama’s base … there is an entire bloc of Americans who don’t follow the progressive movement but came out en mass to elect Barack Obama in 2008. These people are the Obama Democrats, and they are in many ways separate from the progressive movement.”

    Meant to include this as this is what we need to remember and focus on for 2012. And this is what the President meant when he told us on the call that the most important thing to do is to talk to our family, friends, neighbors, etc. They don’t give a darn about Maddow and the progressives. And they will turn out to vote for PBO.

    This is also what David Plouffe so eloquently said in the video you posted, Chipsticks. He said in 2008 they tuned out the msm and focused on their strategy of reaching everyday people and getting them out to vote. We know how that worked. Yes we can. Again.

    • 6 Theo67
      April 7, 2011 at 5:51 pm

      You’re so right – the President mentioned earlier this week on the conference calls that we need to work on social opinions. He quoted a prior President who said something like “I can’t do anything about social opinion, but without social opinion, I can’t do anything”. The more people who are convinced that the progressive goals are better for them, then the number of progressives will increase. When all they see if whining, complaining, fickle progressives all over the airwaves, they betray the very progressive and proud and generous values that they are supposed to fight for and portray.

  6. April 7, 2011 at 9:42 am

    While it’s disturbing that 67% supports leaving that place open – These numbers only shows how out of touch “progressives” are, and how much they fail to understand where the real problem is.

    • 8 StR
      April 7, 2011 at 9:46 am

      I hope it’s a case of supporting PBO’s decision knowing he was blocked, and not thinking it should be kept open because we don’t want terrer’ists being sprung from prison and roaming American streets.

    • April 7, 2011 at 9:56 am

      I agree about the 67% figure BWD, but it’s hard to interpret it, is it people trusting the President’s judgment on the issue and acknowledging his efforts to close the place have been blocked by Congress, or (as the writer wondered) is it a spillover from the Bush days: a vote to keep Guantanmo opens means you don’t like terrorists much?! It’s probably a mixture, but so vague a polling question means it’s impossible to know. The best thing about this poll is how it proves, once again, that the self-described ‘progressives’ (or regressives, as I prefer to call them) do not make up the majority of the President’s base, as they like to think they do. I laughed yesterday when I (stupidly) looked at Firebaggerlake, they’re all signing a petition to oppose the President in 2012 – they actually believe they can stop his re-election. Oh dear.

  7. 10 StR
    April 7, 2011 at 9:45 am

    I don’t think the progressive number is nearly that high. 25-29% would be very powerful in primaries and they’re just not. Teabaggers are very influential in primaries and get their candidates elected so I can believe the 29%.

    Progressives are 10-15% tops. At least the internet fringe nut variety. I bet of that 25-29% who self identified as progressives, the vast majority of those would be called DINO’s or Bots on the fringe loon sites.

    • 11 Audrey
      April 7, 2011 at 5:08 pm

      Some of that number represents the PUMAs who are not necessarily “progressives” even though some so-called “progressives” are undoubtedly PUMAs (you know those others and clinton supporters who will forever hate President Obama even if he cured the sick and solved every single problem facing the nation and the world!)

      Well I imagine that these results will inspire the PUMA-progressive group to double down on their Obama bashing effort to get their desired results!

      Arianna’s daily memo sent out with talking points for her minions isn’t working quite as well as she had hoped! Sorry Arianna! Now take your millions and scamp! Better still, hope there is some serious choking episode for that evil witch!

  8. 12 lisa
    April 7, 2011 at 11:17 am

    So glad someone finally pointed out that the PL aren’t PBO’s base. They are so narcissistic and ridiculous, always talking about how PBO and democrats in congress are ignoring “the base.” They obviously need to be taken down a peg or two.

  9. 13 Sonjia Duncan
    April 7, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Thank you.

    Finally someone can back up with numbers who really support this president. The former republicans may scream louder than us but they are not the base of his support.

    I have deleted from my inbox any mail that start with “tell the president and donate to me”.

    I follow this president because he is my leader and I agree with his agenda. For the first time in over fifty years I feel that we have a real leader in the white house. Some need to get onboard or just get out of the way.

  10. 14 Dorothy Rissman
    April 7, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Maddow has “filleted” her way out of my world. No more.

    I really want Guantanamo closed. I think it goes against the idea of a fair and open trial, and of course, we know so many of those people that are still there were tortured.

    Needless to say, the house and senate stopped it from happening. I actually think that a lot of those approving are people who did not want to have trials here.


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