24
Mar
11

cautious & consultative = weak. seriously.

You gotta love the poll Reuters carried out with Ipsos after the start of operations in Libya. People were given just three choices to describe President Obama, these were the results:

48 percent: Cautious and consultative
36 percent: Indecisive and dithering
17 percent: Strong and decisive

Note how they separate ‘cautious and consultative’ from ‘strong and decisive’, like being cautious and consultative are signs of weakness when you’re contemplating sending American men and women in to combat. If weakness is being cautious about taking military action against another country, before consulting widely to get the best advice, and then acting accordingly – then I love weakness!

Reuters’ headline? ‘Few Americans see Obama as strong military leader’!

So, because 48% chose cautious and consultative, instead of ‘strong and decisive’, Reuters seem to interpret this as meaning those 48% think the President is ‘indecisive and dithering’. Okay – but if that’s the case, then, eh, why didn’t they choose ‘indecisive and dithering’?

Could it possibly be that these people just think being cautious and consultative is a good thing, bearing in mind the catastrophic military madness of the Bush creature (and his VP, Dick Haliburton) and all the lives lost during his ‘reign’?

“The survey suggested Americans may see Obama in a very different light from his predecessor, George W. Bush, who launched the Afghanistan and Iraq wars with some allies but was widely seen as a go-it-alone leader.”

No shit Sherlock!

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Thanks to Suzanne for linking this terrific Kevin Drum post in the comments:

Kevin Drum (Mother Jones): I’m not likely to blog very much about Libya, but I have to say there’s an air of unreality surrounding a lot of the commentary that’s starting to get on my nerves. Criticizing Obama for not consulting Congress is one thing. It’s not as if this is some kind of unprecedented break with past practice or anything, but still. I get it.

But the “dithering” complaint? Give me a break. When did it suddenly become a personality defect to decline to intervene in a foreign rebellion the instant it broke out? Isn’t there anyone left who appreciates the fact that Obama still retains a few shreds of anti-interventionist instinct and moves in a deliberate fashion?

Then there’s the “why did he change his mind?” nonsense. Answer: because when events on the ground are moving fast, presidents change their minds. How? Usually by first holding a meeting and getting lots of input. Obama changed his mind last Tuesday in exactly the same way that every president since George Washington has changed his mind.

And then the “following, not leading” complaint. Look: if the only thing you actually care about is showing just how manly the United States can be, this makes sense. But that’s a pretty stupid justification. There’s just no reason why America should be required to take the leadership role in every military action around the globe.

Finally, there’s all the handwringing over why we’re intervening in Libya but not Bahrain or the Congo or Yemen. Please…..

Look: I’m not really happy about the intervention in Libya ….. but an awful lot of the criticism is just so unremittingly juvenile that I can hardly stand listening to it anymore. Time to grow up, people.

Full post here


13 Responses to “cautious & consultative = weak. seriously.”


  1. 1 cuphalffull
    March 24, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    This post was amazing. You captured the extreme irony perfectly.

  2. 2 hgerhard
    March 24, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    This is a perfect example of how polling is used to misinform and put a spin on everything. Why is it that we somehow need to have a poll to find out what people think – and then give them only a, b, and c and leave the interpretation of what the answers mean to the pundits? Why not just ask people what they think without the carefully constructed questions that can be twisted every which way the “experts” please? I know I am getting cranky, but I am so sick of this nonsense. We are losing the ability to talk to each other. We no longer appreciate what our fellow citizens think, only what the pollsters tell us they think. This is just as bad as the failure of the media to inform the public. I fear that if we don’t get our message out loud and clear, we will be buried by the giant propaganda machine gearing up ever more to destroy this presidency.

    • 3 EDP4BHO
      March 24, 2011 at 2:22 pm

      That’s alright. Apparently 63% think of him as a cautious and consultative person who, when presented all the facts, is from there on strong and decisive. If they don’t then fudge ’em 😀

  3. 5 HZ
    March 24, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I heard Secretary Gates state at a Congressional Hearing a few weeks ago(and he was not patient with those people at all) say, “You do not look to polls when you are making a decision like the President had to make.” I love Sec. Gates because he is a serious man and I feel that he has a deep respect for President Obama from what I read from a great article. I only wish that he would stay on. But you must do what you have to do.

  4. 6 Ann_T
    March 24, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    48 percent: Cautious and consultative (Good)
    36 percent: Indecisive and dithering (Bad)
    17 percent: Strong and decisive (Can be good or bad in my opinion)

    You’re right Chipsticks. I think cautions & consultative can go together with strong & decisive. But if something is missing from the choices, I think it would be reckless and narrow-minded. Of course, they couldn’t add that. It would be 0% He’s not someone that goes off half-cocked without looking at the big picture. A reckless & narrow-minded person should not lead the free world.

    I also agree with hgerhard. Polls are misleading. The choices are not conclusive. I’m sure there are people that vote based on soundbites. (so & so said xyz on TV, so it must be true.)

    This is off topic but Donald Trump was on The View yesterday showing his birther colors. I wish the ladies of The View had the kindergarten picture of Barack Obama. Maybe that would have shut him up. Unfortunately, some in the audience seemed to agree that there must be something to hide or something wrong with his birth certificate that he won’t produce it. Major lie! The View ladies pointed out today that his birth certificate has been made available. (They showed it today along with some young pictures of Barack.)

    • 7 Theo67
      March 24, 2011 at 3:22 pm

      They needed another category “impulsive and chest thumping” – that would fit the likes of Bush, Palin,

  5. 8 anniebella
    March 24, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    CNN had a poll which says 70% of Americans supports the no fly zone. The first words which comes out of Gloria Borger of CNN mouth is Obama didn’t get any bump, then she says these polls can change. Now they didn’t expect him to have the support. Do you see how journalists like her have been out there attacking the President. MSNBC and CNN has been disgusting.I want the people to take a poll of how much the people trust the media. I bet it wouldn’t be very much.

  6. 11 Lovepolitics2008
    March 24, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Thanks Chipsticks for pointing out the non-sense. You summed it up perfectly. There’s NO contradiction between “cautious and consultative” and “strong and decisive”. In fact, President Obama is ALL of those things. Cautious and consultative before taking a decision, then having the strenght to take the decision even if it’s hard and it’s risky.

    My goodness, I’m so sick of the media.

  7. 12 Suzanne
    March 24, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    I VOTED for a cautious leader who thinks before acting! Kevin Drum had an excellent debunking article in Mother Jones:

    http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/03/griping-about-libya

    “….Criticizing Obama for not consulting Congress is one thing. It’s not as if this is some kind of unprecedented break with past practice or anything, but still. I get it.

    But the “dithering” complaint? Give me a break. When did it suddenly become a personality defect to decline to intervene in a foreign rebellion the instant it broke out? Isn’t there anyone left who appreciates the fact that Obama still retains a few shreds of anti-interventionist instinct and moves in a deliberate fashion?
    ….
    Then there’s the “why did he change his mind?” nonsense. Answer: because when events on the ground are moving fast, presidents change their minds. How? Usually by first holding a meeting and getting lots of input. Obama changed his mind last Tuesday in exactly the same way that every president since George Washington has changed his mind.
    ….
    But an awful lot of the criticism is just so unremittingly juvenile that I can hardly stand listening to it anymore. Time to grow up, people.”

    Love it!

  8. 13 Fred
    March 24, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Then don’t listen to it anymore. I’m getting better and better at tuning out the nonsense because there is SOOoooo much of it that is so easily accessible with the internet you gotta do that otherwise you become a stressed out wreck!


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