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Dec
10

credit where it’s due?

Salon (Steve Kornacki): ….In a matter of days (if that), President Obama will sign the bill…. and fulfill one of his major campaign promises — one that some of his liberal critics had accused him of shirking.

Obama, it should be said, played this issue remarkably well. To listen to his liberal critics (at least before today), his handling of DADT has encapsulated all that’s wrong with his presidency. He’s lacked, in their telling, both a meaningful strategy and the stomach for a fight with Republicans. But the course he pursued actually made a lot of sense, as Saturday’s vote attests. Obama took pains to get Pentagon and military leaders aboard, commissioning an exhaustive study of the issue and promising them he wouldn’t preempt it with an executive order or legal fight.

While it was slow, the beauty of this process was that the final report, released three weeks ago, completely and authoritatively dismantled every rationalization that opponents of repeal could offer. The few moderate Republicans in the Senate who were open to repeal — either because of their own consciences or because of political dynamics in their home states (or both) — had nothing left to hide behind. Remember, it was only after the report’s release that Scott Brown and Lisa Murkowski finally came on board. (The same, for that matter, was true for conservative Democrat Mark Pryor.) For the past two years, Obama has loudly insisted that he was working toward repeal. Saturday demonstrated that there was a method to the madness.

Andrew Sullivan: Do gay activists, including myself, want to doubt it now? ….I reiterate what I wrote barely a week ago: It seems to me the events of the last month or so reveal that the Obama administration has finally delivered the goods for the military, which is hobbled by this dated, counter-productive policy, and for the gay community, by moving the issue deliberately  through the Congress before the executive branch or the judicial branch.

Like 2009’s removal of the HIV ban, which was as painstakingly slow but thereby much more entrenched, this process took time. Without the Pentagon study, it wouldn’t have passed. Without Obama keeping Lieberman inside the tent, it wouldn’t have passed. Without the critical relationship between Bob Gates and Obama, it wouldn’t have passed. It worked our last nerve; we faced at one point a true nightmare of nothing … for years. And then we pulled behind this president, making it his victory and the country’s victory, as well as ours.

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Lt. Dan Choi: “President Obama, you are not off the hook. The compromise bill passed today puts the moral imperative squarely on your desk. Sign an executive order instituting a full non-discrimination policy throughout the military. If you do not, if you drag your feet and politicize this with your theoretical calculations as you have these past two years, you will be guilty of abetting those who loudly proclaim homophobia from their platforms and pulpits. Provide them no shelter or safe haven. Institute justice now….. Do not compare this to the integration of racial and religious minorities in the 1940’s and 1950’s. Integration of gay people has already happened…..”

You can read the whole thing at the link – Lt Choi is a truly remarkable man, which makes it kind of sad that he apparently has as much contempt for President Obama as he does for John McCain, even after what happened today. Or maybe he’s just not big enough to admit he got it all wrong about the President’s strategy on DADT, and that he is, after all, not a homophobe? He could learn from Maddow and Sullivan’s graciousness and honesty.

PS As someone on Huffington Post asked him, how on earth was this a “compromise” bill?

Two months ago:

PS II: I take back my description of Choi as a “remarkable” man – I somehow managed to miss what he said about Harry Reid in October:

“Harry Reid is a pussy – and he’ll be bleeding once a month.”

What a vile misogynist he is.

Thanks to Jessica for letting me know.

I found a good article on the comment here

Good grief, a campaigner against prejudice with a pretty nasty prejudice himself – ah, the breathtaking hypocrisy of it all! How did this guy treat the women he worked with in the army??


43 Responses to “credit where it’s due?”


  1. 1 mmmk
    December 18, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    i agree. dan choi stroked a wrong tone. than again – he’s @ huffington fox……

  2. December 18, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    I am proud of our President for sticking to his guns, to get laws reversed the correct way. Instead of with executive order which can be reversed when another President take office.

    I am so upset with Dan Choi. I read he was in the hospital this past week. They should of kept him there. He is talking stupid and off the wall. I used to respect him. Not any longer. He need to just go away and get well. His passion for this cause he made him lose his mind. He is disrespecting everyone that has power to help right this wrong. President Obama worked passionately behind the scenes to get this done. As it is his way of doing things. Just call him the come back kid :). Every time anyone think that one of his bills are dead. They rise from the dead. I love this President.

  3. 3 maritza
    December 18, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    Lt. Dan Choi: You are an asshole! I should have saved my telephone calls so that the other great-full gays would have some rights!?

    !

  4. 5 bjw2
    December 18, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    You know what gets me, is that none of these people like Lt. Choi has never taken their fight to McCain, its almost as if they would rather go after the president since he’s never served in the military, than to go after McCain.

  5. 6 bjw2
    December 18, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    After all Lt. Choi you’re speaking about your commander and chief……show some damn respect!

  6. 7 CTGirl
    December 18, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    I saw Lf. Choi’s remarks on HP and had to remind myself to close my mouth. Let me first say I am not a fan; I find him to be unrealistic and cannot stand his obvious contempt of someone who has been true to his promise to end DADT. I don’t think Lt. Choi is fit to serve, there is obviously something mentally wrong with him. I am beyond disgusted by his remarks!

  7. 9 ari
    December 18, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Choi, needs help and people need TO GET HIM HELP, and stop parading him in fromt of a camera. The man is obvioustly very sick.

  8. 10 Jessica
    December 18, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Dan Choi lost any and all credibility when he said Reid was “a pussy and bleeds once a month.” Yes, Reid the same Harry Reid that has been working diligently to get DADT repealed and Dream Act passed. WTF. And how misguided do you have to be to use misogynist slurs to fight homophobia. I hope Maddow called him out for that (I don’t know if she ever did). Choi is just as bad (maybe worse) then any racist tea-partier and I completely disregard anything he has to say.

    • December 18, 2010 at 6:58 pm

      Oh my God, how did I miss what he said about Harry Reid??? I take back my description of him as “remarkable” – he’s just vile.

      • 12 ari
        December 18, 2010 at 7:28 pm

        he also said F*** you to the President, called him a homophobe, and said he was the worst President for LGBT community.

        • December 18, 2010 at 8:58 pm

          I’d like to know who he thought was better. Seriously, I don’t know my presidential history too well. What other president promised and delivered for the gay community?

          • 14 Jessica
            December 18, 2010 at 10:08 pm

            Exactly his comments are irrational they make no sense. I understand his anger and plight but he is just going about it all of the wrong ways. Zero respect for him (and it’s hard for me to have zero respect for someone who serves this country).

        • 15 princess k
          December 18, 2010 at 11:10 pm

          You normally don’t hear military people saying stuff like that especially about a president any president..astounding.

      • 16 princess k
        December 18, 2010 at 11:09 pm

        Wow, I never knew that either!

      • 17 Chi
        December 19, 2010 at 10:05 pm

        Hey Chip…

        The earlier noted “remarkable” bit regarding this horrid person shows how positively kind and generous you are…

        I watched Choi endlessly grandstand and bluster and there was never anything but loads of self-promotion and disdain for a select few he conveniently held responsible for not repealing DADT…

        Not at anytime could one hear this man and think him “remarkable” …

        He consistently came across as self-aggrandizing and clearly lacking in military discipline, courtesy and deportment…

        • December 20, 2010 at 6:48 am

          Hey Chi, well he’s definitely not remarkable to me any more!

          But while I never liked his campaigning ‘style’ and found him to be a bit on the unpleasant side in his interviews, I did have a lot of respect for his story and experience. What was remarkable and courageous to me was his decision to come out, when he knew it would cost him his military career. I gave him a lot of credit for that then, but now he just strikes me as a nasty little attention-seeker. His comment about Harry Reid was as ugly as it gets, and gave an insight to the kind of person Choi is. I’m thrilled for gay members of the military that DADT is repealed, but I feel no joy for Choi – quite honestly, if I was a female member of the military I wouldn’t want this man let back in.

    • 19 Hachikō
      December 18, 2010 at 7:41 pm

      I did not know that. Wow! That’s too bad.

  9. 20 Really?
    December 18, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    What an absolute attention whore Choi is? Really, “you are not off the hook”. The President could have done what alot of politicians did and say F U I’m in office and I won’t keep my promises. Watch how the Professional left is going to go in wah wah mode because the repeal will take some time before it can be implemented. These people are utterly useless and utterly pathetic. I hope Choi doesn’t pull a muscle patting himself on the back…what an absolute dick. Sorry for the rant, but if these are the president’s “supporters”…..

    • 21 Kelly
      December 18, 2010 at 7:38 pm

      I came in to same the same thing. His attention whoring ass lost me ages ago. I know he mad now cause he has no reason to run all over tv anymore or handcuff himself to the white house. F**k him.

    • 22 Jessica
      December 18, 2010 at 7:45 pm

      I know right. He wanted a repeal, he got a repeal (as promised). But I guess you can’t get a book deal if you were to admit that Obama, Congress followed through and you were happy with this historic step forward in gay civil rights.

  10. 23 CTGirl
    December 18, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Per Rachel, her show on Monday will feature service members who fought for the repeal. I wonder if he will be a guest and I wonder if she will mention the remarks he made about Sen. Reid and President Obama.

  11. 26 Anonymous
    December 18, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I don’t know him personally, but in my humble opinion President Obama ain’t the kinda man that let’s people put him on a “hook” When I read his stupid azz statement on HP, I said the same then phuck him. Ingratitude is a sin.

  12. 28 Ladyhawke
    December 18, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    There was an encounter between Senator Harry Reid and Lt. Dan Choi at Netroots Nation back in July. I think Lt. Choi was trying to embarrass Senator by giving him his ring. While Senator Reid was being interviewed (the ring had been given to the interviewer), Lt. Choi came up on the stage and said he was holding Senator Reid accountable. The audience loved it, but I was turned off. Lt. Choi is too in your face for me. I have been turned off by him since he outed himself on the Rachel Maddow Show. He has also handcuffed himself to the outer gates of the White House several times.

    Anyway, I am appalled to hear about his disgusting comments about Senator Reid and President Obama. After all they have done, you would think he would be gracious and show some respect for the Majority Leader and the Commander In Chief.

    http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/netroots-nation-moment-lt-dan-choi-and-harr

    • December 18, 2010 at 9:22 pm

      Hi Ladyhawke,

      It’s amazing that you should recount that story, I was looking at Choi’s Twitter account earlier today and I saw this from him:

      I had no idea what it meant. Now I do. What a cheap smart ass. He is the self-appointed spokesman for current or former gay members of the military, and the more I learn about him the more I realize what a truly awful representative he is. I almost sensed from his HuffPost rant that he was disappointed DADT was repealed, he mightn’t get quite as much media time after the next few days. I suspect his ego has long since become bigger than his cause.

      I sincerely hope he isn’t invited to the White House when the President signs the bill, he doesn’t have any right to be there. The article I linked earlier, written by a gay woman about his disgusting misogynistic slur aimed at Harry Reid – wow, does this guy have a problem with women! – made it pretty clear that there are plenty in the gay community who find his outbursts loathsome. Uggh, he’s a creep.

  13. 30 Asher in Boston
    December 18, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Ungrateful S.O.B.

  14. 31 majii
    December 18, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    I’m wondering what makes him think that he can order the president to do anything. He’s not only obnoxious, but he’s rude and disrespectful to the max, and very full of himself. He didn’t find his stones until Obama became president. I didn’t know who he was until President Obama was in the WH. I am very offended by his behavior toward the president. I once had some respect for Choi because I sympathized with his plight, but all bets are officially off now after he decided to run his big fat mouth. I’m also offended about his comments about Senator Reid, someone I’ve always admired because of his quiet way of getting things accomplished behind the scenes, and his not feeling the need to grandstand. He and President Obama along with Speaker Pelosi make a good team. IMO, the problems President Obama has been encountering have come mainly from the democrats in Congress who rode to victory on his coattails in 2008 and abandoned ship after January 20, 2009. Add the frustrati to my list, too.

  15. 32 Lovepolitics2008
    December 18, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Add me to the chorus. Lt Choi has obviously anger issues. We can understand that he has suffered from discrimination, and from who knows what. However, not everybody suffering from discrimination behaves like a jerk.

    Since Lt Choi is always in anger mode, no wonder cable news love him. Drama drama…

    We should all write to Rachel so she doesn’t treat him like royalty on her show. And yes, she should confront him with the very hateful remarks he made on Senator Reid and President Obama. Or, better, she shouldn’t give him a platform. She should invite other gay activists. There are plenty who worked hard, but in respect of others.

  16. 34 lexusv
    December 18, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    Awwww man I got logged out from the site some kinda way :o(

    • December 18, 2010 at 10:13 pm

      I know the feeling lexusv, I get logged out all the time – sometimes I’m on the verge of deleting a silly comment from an anonymous person when I realize it was posted by me.

      😐

      • 36 lexusv
        December 19, 2010 at 9:07 pm

        LOLOLOL, I was about to say “what I say” cause I thought the mods deleted my very profound statement about the A-hole Choi. Now I done heard it all. On MSNBC the reporter said the credit should go to everyone and only slightly mentioned President Obama in why things are moving on the hill now. I swear they got it bad for this man.

  17. 37 Sankofa
    December 18, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Is dan a republican? His disrespect to HIS Commander in Chief is appalling and I am totally turned off by his actions and remarks. As a female, I am totally pissed about the p***y remark, who says something like that unless they think that way? So he’s mysogynistic, rude and contemptible too? And as mentioned in a prior post, as “someone who suffered from discrimination” this is how he chooses to respond to an issue? He has more than his gay issues going on, for real. wow, what a man. I didn’t like his calling the news to his chaining himself to the White House fences either, how much publicity did and does he need? Now that DADT is being overturned, what will his new “issue” be with President Obama and Harry Reed? SMH @ some pee-pull.

    • 38 Kelly
      December 19, 2010 at 11:20 am

      Yes, my thought is he Republican, as well as cray cray in the head. I notice he never directs his anger at any Teapub nor hand cuffs himself to any of their residences. He exemplifies every aspect of a ilr troll if you ask me.

  18. 39 sduncan
    December 19, 2010 at 12:24 am

    Well I guess I am going to write Rachael a note tomorrow.
    I an not sure I can go back to watching her show.
    What did KO do?

  19. 40 Michele
    December 19, 2010 at 3:25 am

    I thought this nut job was still locked away for his own good. I hope the military creates a new policy (NO CRAZY PEOPLE LIKE CHOI). And I will fight against a repeal of this law….

  20. 42 Chi
    December 19, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Choi’s just another self-serving, exploitative, opportunistic, loathsome jerk…

    Angling for a book deal and playing to the hate crowd hoping they buy his book and make him rich like they have many of the other loathsome hate peddlers…

    It’s pathetic and so disgusting to watch how such ridiculously unfounded and unwarranted hate and disrespect of a most brilliant, good, decent and spectacular man like President Obama has become a surefire way to boatloads of cash…

    But for all these hate-peddling opportunists, it will all be short-lived and the ill-gotten wealth and notoriety will bring much karmic misery and pain before of course any and all monetary gain from their escapades quickly disappear…

    And make no mistake, Choi, Dan Savage, Palin and their ilk will get exactly what they deserve…


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